@kellyjay saidI suspect its the church pastor is your God. If the Holy Spirit were really talking to you, then you would be preaching stuff like this :
I can point to Christ and the Holy Spirit for confirmation on everything I said while you are in direct conflict. Even when you are shown your error you refuse to listen.
Charity is greater than Faith
Faith without works is DEAD.
Love is the fulfilment of the Law
Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing. (1 Corinthians 13:1-3 KJV)
And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity. (1 Corinthians 13:13 KJV)
@kellyjay saidBut of course the version of the “god of the Bible” which you personally hold to is the correct one and anyone who holds a different version is incorrect… right?
At one point when Jesus was walking among us people wanted to make Jesus King, Jesus left them. They wanted Him to be the king they wanted, Jesus didn’t need them because He is already the King and God wants us confirmed in Christ image not Christ into what we want. When people reject the God of the Bible for one that they fashioned to their liking it is the god of their imagination they worship not God almighty.
@rajk999 saidYou should actually read what Jesus said about the Holy Spirit.
Interesting how you harp on this, something Jesus never said. Yet the things Jesus said about being merciful, charitable etc and keeping of the commandments are not things you ever mention.
You do not lift up and encourage people to live righteously the way Jesus did. Instead you belittle and denigrate .. typical church tactics designed to exercise control.
@kellyjay saidAgain, if I think someone makes an untrue claim, I would consider it pointless to just say he makes untrue claims. I would instead be specific and state what those untrue claims are. Clearly you are not really able to express yourself so that people can readily understand you.
You make untrue claims and assumptions that is what I notice.
@divegeester saidThe 'convenience' doctrine.
I don’t believe in eternal torture.
I don’t believe in a failure savour who only barely managed to save a “few” from that torture, or annihilation.
So that leaves one option, no one goes to hell or damnation.
Therefore…
Everyone, every human being is saved from eternal torture and annihilation in the afterlife.
Salvation is for this life. Paul said “work out yo ...[text shortened]... l knowing and all loving God.
How did you work out what it is you do and don’t believe Suzianne?
You don't have to do anything.
You don't even have to follow Jesus. And you rag on KJ?
Well done. (Not really. I see an 'I never knew you' in your future.)
@divegeester saidUnlike others, it is certainly not based on what is convenient to me.
Again.
How did you work out what it is you do and don’t believe Suzianne?
@rajk999 saidFaith hope and love and the greatest is love, God is love so at the center of all we do and say should be God our Creator, Savior, Propitiation, and Redeemer. No one argues that faith without works is dead, but you attempt to make much of something that no one argues for. It is odd that you even quote the passage that says if we give everything we have to the poor, it is meaningless and profiteth us nothing, we could lay down our lives it is meaningless, have perfect knowledge of scripture, it is nothing.
I suspect its the church pastor is your God. If the Holy Spirit were really talking to you, then you would be preaching stuff like this :
Charity is greater than Faith
Faith without works is DEAD.
Love is the fulfilment of the Law
Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. An ...[text shortened]... ith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity. (1 Corinthians 13:13 KJV)
What matters is Jesus Christ, the righteousness that God has made known to us now is due to Him not our human efforts as the scriptures you quoted in Corinthian tells us. If it were due to us at any level we could boast about it, but it is due to Jesus Christ, not us. Believing in Jesus is the Work of God (John 6:29) God's glory is now known in that Christ is in us the hope of Glory.
We will do the works of God not to earn God's salvation that was finished with Christ on the cross for us, we can now put our faith in Jesus' shed blood on our behalf. Now we do good works because we are saved, not to get saved, so good works will be done.
@rajk999 saidFrom John 16
Thats lame. Notice I never tell people go and read what so and so said. I post it for them to read. I quote. I explain. You need to go back to teaching school.
“I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you. All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you.
The Spirit of Truth will tell us things that people were not ready to hear when Jesus was walking with us, and you put Christ's words at odds with those that Jesus chose to fill with the Spirit and write and teach us.
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A funny thing happened on the way to the Forum, and on the way to the church, through an untraveled road. Although this one will eventually lead to Rome also, like all roads.
I'm on the way to writing a book here, and the following are just reflections of my mind. Therefore be on the lookout, and don't let these thoughts of mine broadside you too....blind faith is the subject. The main course I would say, a twisted plot in its own way, and which is leading to Broadway someday, hopefully.
I have this funny feeling that our dear Paul has deceived all the gentiles who pay him any attention and honor. He's no a saint, by any means. Just a blinding deceiver. One who, traveling by tiny little steps at a time, and through a bunch of epistles of foreign correspondence, has taken the "Christians" to the wide, and broad easy gate. Those who have entered are many, nearly all, and only a few, a handful really, are those who have refused to enter through his ways of deception. And if this sounds blasphemous to some, let me say that it's just an ACT also. Paul's final act of deception was his willingness to die for his professed newfound faith. But it was an act more in line with a kamikaze, rather than the honest act of true martyrdom. Paul acted to destroy true Christianity through the spread of his deadly viral, and very contagious little lies, and not to save, as intended by Jesus, or Jesus' Father.
Without naming, but still citing a very reliable, and really wise source, let me put the matter thus: When will there be more chance of deception–when the difference is large or small? Small, of course! And you will be less likely to be discovered in passing by degrees into the other extreme than when you go all at once? Again, of course!
Of note: Paul of Tarsus was a Pharisee, claimed to be temporarily "blind," and he definitely did a lot of traveling by land and by sea, to win proselytes.
Jesus is said to have said this: Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you devour widows’ houses, and for a pretense make long prayers. Therefore you will receive greater condemnation. “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel land and sea to win one proselyte, and when he is won, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves.
Jesus also said this: “Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which indeed appear beautiful outwardly, but inside are full of dead men’s bones and all uncleanness. Even so you also outwardly appear righteous to men, but inside you are full of hypocrisy and lawlessness.
Again, Jesus is said that he said this: “Woe to you, blind guides, who say, ‘Whoever swears by the temple, it is nothing; but whoever swears by the gold of the temple, he is obliged to perform it.’ Fools and blind! For which is greater, the gold or the temple that sanctifies the gold?
Again and again, the words said to have been spoken by Jesus are to be the only teaching to be followed by anyone claiming to be a "Christian." Because Jesus also said: They love the best places at feasts, the best seats in the synagogues, greetings in the marketplaces, and to be called by men, ‘Rabbi, Rabbi.’ But you, do not be called ‘Rabbi’; for One is your Teacher, the Christ, and you are all brethren. Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven.
And this is not an inside Dad Joke. The Church that the denier and the deceiver setup in Rome is full of fathers. Father O'Malley and Father Fitzgibbon, if you are going my way, and Irish. And the biggest daddy of them all, the Bishop of Rome, the Holy Father, also claims to be the "earthly" vicar of Christ, of all places. And also of all places, synagogues and churches are interchangeable, where it concerns Jesus.
I'm taking all interpretations in consideration. Any free editing of the above from club members, to keep my way straight, will be welcomed again, and again without measure. All non club members need to pay their dues first, to keep me straight with their objections. Reminders are still active for those needing reminders on interpretations.
@pettytalk saidWhat in the name of Buddha are you waffling on about?
A funny thing happened on the way to the Forum, and on the way to the church, through an untraveled road. Although this one will eventually lead to Rome also, like all roads.
I'm on the way to writing a book here, and the following are just reflections of my mind. Therefore be on the lookout, and don't let these thoughts of mine broadside you too....blind faith is the s ...[text shortened]... ht with their objections. Reminders are still active for those needing reminders on interpretations.