To atheists

Originally posted by FabianFnas
I think josephw has his own answer to that question. Fundamentalists usually do.
My follow up question is - can you prove it?

my bet is that he is trying to demonstrate you damned infidels that your whole life has been a waste and you need to repent and convert. like yesterday.


and before you do that, ask joseph which is the true religion so you don't need to go through 2 conversions

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
if you ask for imagination from an atheist you might not like the outcome.

Imagine there's no Heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one

Agreed. 😞

Originally posted by josephw
Is there anything else besides space and matter?

Yes. You have space, matter,(Of course energy and matter are manifestations of the same thing), and abstractions. Abstractions of course are not possible without space and matter(energy). God is an example of an abstraction.🙄

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
my bet is that he is trying to demonstrate you damned infidels that your whole life has been a waste and you need to repent and convert. like yesterday.


and before you do that, ask joseph which is the true religion so you don't need to go through 2 conversions

Of course it is so.

Joseph and all other fundamentalists are dead sure that they have the ultimate Truth ready for everyone who cares to listen. The funny thing is that there are as many ultimate Truths as there are fundamentalists in the world so what Truth is the Right one?

I don't think god likes fundamentalists. God will send all to hell eventually, the hell of fundamentalists, where they all can sit and persuade eachother.

Originally posted by FabianFnas
I don't think god likes fundamentalists. God will send all to hell eventually, the hell of fundamentalists, where they all can sit and persuade eachother.

How is this belief of yours regarding God different from Joseph's?

Originally posted by twhitehead
How is this belief of yours regarding God different from Joseph's?

A clue: He's a fundamentalist, I'm not.

Originally posted by SwissGambit

Imagine there's no Heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace

You may say that I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someda ...[text shortened]... e
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one

Agreed. 😞

you have to keep reading

Originally posted by FabianFnas
A clue: He's a fundamentalist, I'm not.

But what is the difference? (I am not a mind reader).

Originally posted by twiceaknight
What what would be like? There would be no "it."

BTW. If atheists have no imagination and Christians do, this would suggest that the Christian God is imaginary.

You're out of context.

Originally posted by FabianFnas
Of course it is so.

Joseph and all other fundamentalists are dead sure that they have the ultimate Truth ready for everyone who cares to listen. The funny thing is that there are as many ultimate Truths as there are fundamentalists in the world so what Truth is the Right one?

I don't think god likes fundamentalists. God will send all to hell eventually, the hell of fundamentalists, where they all can sit and persuade eachother.

Joseph and all other fundamentalists are dead sure that they have the ultimate Truth ready for everyone who cares to listen.

Bull-loney. You have an extremists view which is a distortion of what a fundamentalist is.

Originally posted by 667joe
Yes. You have space, matter,(Of course energy and matter are manifestations of the same thing), and abstractions. Abstractions of course are not possible without space and matter(energy). God is an example of an abstraction.🙄

Abstractions of course are not possible without space and matter(energy). God is an example of an abstraction.

Bingo!

Originally posted by josephw
[b]Joseph and all other fundamentalists are dead sure that they have the ultimate Truth ready for everyone who cares to listen.

Bull-loney. You have an extremists view which is a distortion of what a fundamentalist is.[/b]

You're right in the fact that fundamentalists are more extrem than ordinary religious people. That's the reason that terrorists most often are recruited in fundamentalist movements.

Fundamentalists people don't have any ultimate Truth in common. They have one Truth each. And Each is very persistant in their beliefs that his, and his only, is the very ultimate Truth. A grandiose paradox, if you ask me.

Can anything be absolutely proved?

Seems to absolutely prove anything one would have to know everything there is to know.

No human knows absolutely everything there is to know.

Originally posted by jaywill
Can anything be [b]absolutely proved?

Seems to absolutely prove anything one would have to know everything there is to know.

No human knows absolutely everything there is to know.[/b]

With an absolute certainty, we know nothing.
With a probable certainty we know a great deal.
But we know for sure that we don't know it all.

I've heard scientists say: "When we understand everything there is to understand, then I'll quit."
As in the search for the Higgs particle. "I don't want anyone to find it, it's much more fun if we would be forced to the drawing board again and produce another theory of the thing."

"No human knows absolutely everything there is to know." Not only any human, more precisely, "not humanity" and further "ever". Haleluja to that.

Originally posted by FabianFnas
With an absolute certainty, we know nothing.
With a probable certainty we know a great deal.
But we know for sure that we don't know it all.

I've heard scientists say: "When we understand everything there is to understand, then I'll quit."
As in the search for the Higgs particle. "I don't want anyone to find it, it's much more fun if we would be for y any human, more precisely, "not humanity" and further "ever". Haleluja to that.

Nothing can be absolutely proved by humans.

What about this question?

Can reasoning lead man to know truth ?

Oh, by the way is that Higgs particle what they use to call Omega Minus ??