To atheists

Originally posted by vistesd
Energy. Space is a dimensional term (like time).

Okay, I’ll bite—

The [b]Tao is the “implicate expressive ground”, the force field or energy-ground, from which, in which and of which all energy-forms are manifest. Dimensionality results from the fact of the manifestations in the way they are manifest. The notion of “beginning” does not ...[text shortened]... able by science. The only really metaphysical term in the above may be the word “expressive”.[/b]

Matter is equivalent to energy. That's why I didn't post it.

To the OP - anyone who answers that question with certainty is irrational. As far as I know, no, there is nothing else...well there's time/entropy, but that's really just defined in terms of the way matter is distributed into space.

So, tentatively, I'll say, no, there is nothing else.

When you say "what would it be like" - what is "it"? There would be no people to experience anything in such a case.

Originally posted by scherzo
As a former atheist, I would also like to point out that many atheists are crazy.

Thank you.

Many (any group of people) are crazy. So what?

Originally posted by twhitehead
The is also energy, information, and the fundamental laws of the universe (whatever they may be).

Energy is matter, and information describes how matter or energy is distributed in space I believe. The fundamental laws simply describe the properties of matter and space.

Originally posted by twiceaknight
What what would be like? There would be no "it."

BTW. If atheists have no imagination and Christians do, this would suggest that the Christian God is imaginary.

Ha!

Originally posted by josephw
[b]Abstractions of course are not possible without space and matter(energy). God is an example of an abstraction.

Bingo![/b]

"Abstraction" does not exist except in the mind of he who ponders it.

Originally posted by AThousandYoung
"Abstraction" does not exist except in the mind of he who ponders it.

And persons with minds occupy space. Hence...

Originally posted by AThousandYoung
Energy is matter,

No it isn't. Once can be converted to the other, but they are not the same thing. I might accept it if you said 'matter is a form of energy' but not all energy is matter.

and information describes how matter or energy is distributed in space I believe.
Yes, but information isn't matter either.

The fundamental laws simply describe the properties of matter and space.
True, but they too are not matter.

Originally posted by rwingett
And persons with minds occupy space. Hence...

Hence abstractions are arrangements of matter/energy in space.

Originally posted by twhitehead
No it isn't. Once can be converted to the other, but they are not the same thing. I might accept it if you said 'matter is a form of energy' but not all energy is matter.

[b]and information describes how matter or energy is distributed in space I believe.
Yes, but information isn't matter either.

The fundamental laws simply describe the properties of matter and space.
True, but they too are not matter.[/b]

All right. Matter is a form of energy then. So, the initial post might work better if we said "Is there anything besides energy and space?".

When it is said that matter and space exist, all of the characteristics of both are contained within that statement. When one says information exists they have added nothing to the set of what exists, because it was implied when matter and space were said to exist. You could also say mass exists, and protons exist, and electrical charge exists, and rocks exist, and gases exist, and density exists, and volume exists, and cubes exist, etc. but all that has already been implied simply by stating that matter (or rather, energy) and space exist.

In other words, information, abstraction, etc. are not "anything else" other than space and energy/matter as the OP puts it.

Originally posted by josephw
Is there anything else besides space and matter?

There's you.

You're composed of matter and occupy space, but is that all you are?

I could ask the same questions of a rock, although with less hope of an answer.

Originally posted by AThousandYoung
All right. Matter is a form of energy then. So, the initial post might work better if we said "Is there anything besides energy and space?".

When it is said that matter and space exist, all of the characteristics of both are contained within that statement. When one says information exists they have added nothing to the set of what exists, becau ...[text shortened]... traction, etc. are not "anything else" other than space and energy/matter as the OP puts it.

But objects clearly differ from each other.

Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
But objects clearly differ from each other.

Because they have different arrangements of matter/energy in space.

Originally posted by AThousandYoung
Because they have different arrangements of matter/energy in space.

And why is that so?

Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
And why is that so?

Entropy.

Originally posted by vistesd
Energy.

Why not say 'substance'?