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    Is there anything else besides space and matter?
  2. Donationrwingett
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    02 Nov '09 00:38
    Originally posted by josephw
    Is there anything else besides space and matter?
    Personally, I have no idea.
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    02 Nov '09 01:00
    Originally posted by rwingett
    Personally, I have no idea.
    That explains it.
  4. Donationrwingett
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    02 Nov '09 01:05
    Originally posted by josephw
    That explains it.
    Is that the end of the thread then?
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    02 Nov '09 01:17
    Originally posted by rwingett
    Is that the end of the thread then?
    Not if there's an atheist out there with an imagination.
  6. Donationrwingett
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    02 Nov '09 01:36
    Originally posted by josephw
    Not if there's an atheist out there with an imagination.
    Alright, since it's obvious you want an atheist to say 'yes', I'll oblige you:

    By golly, there is ONLY space and matter in this universe!
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    02 Nov '09 01:48
    Originally posted by rwingett
    Alright, since it's obvious you want an atheist to say 'yes', I'll oblige you:

    By golly, there is ONLY space and matter in this universe!
    ROFL

    Okay. Since you appear to be the only atheist out there with an imagination, I'd like to know what you might think about what it would be like if there wasn't any space or matter.

    I know this is ridiculous, but what else is new?
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    As a former atheist, I would also like to point out that many atheists are crazy.

    Thank you.
  9. Donationrwingett
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    02 Nov '09 02:23
    Originally posted by josephw
    ROFL

    Okay. Since you appear to be the only atheist out there with an imagination, I'd like to know what you might think about what it would be like if there wasn't any space or matter.

    I know this is ridiculous, but what else is new?
    That is beyond my comprehension. I'm not even sure the question makes any sense.
  10. Hmmm . . .
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    02 Nov '09 04:52
    Originally posted by josephw
    Is there anything else besides space and matter?
    Energy. Space is a dimensional term (like time).

    Okay, I’ll bite—

    The Tao is the “implicate expressive ground”, the force field or energy-ground, from which, in which and of which all energy-forms are manifest. Dimensionality results from the fact of the manifestations in the way they are manifest. The notion of “beginning” does not refer to the point prior to which there wasn’t anything; it refers to the point (singularity) prior to which we cannot know anything.

    [Tao can also refer to the gestalt: the figure-ground whole, the totality that has no edge (as scottishinz once put it on here).]

    The Tao, so understood, does not conflict with anything discoverable by science. The only really metaphysical term in the above may be the word “expressive”.
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    02 Nov '09 05:40
    Originally posted by josephw
    Is there anything else besides space and matter?
    The is also energy, information, and the fundamental laws of the universe (whatever they may be).
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    02 Nov '09 07:13
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    The is also energy, information, and the fundamental laws of the universe (whatever they may be).
    "the fundamental laws of the universe"... There are universal, eternal things, like blue or an Fsharp note. You know what I mean ? There are composoite things and there are universal, autonomous things...
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    02 Nov '09 07:45
    Originally posted by josephw
    Not if there's an atheist out there with an imagination.
    if you ask for imagination from an atheist you might not like the outcome.

    basically as an atheist you can imagine anything you want but for the duration of the fantasy. after that you realize it was only in your head. if you are trying to incite a "yes, my whole life has been empty because i have no imagination and/or i don't believe in the stuff i imagine" you are wasting your time.
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    02 Nov '09 09:53
    Originally posted by josephw
    Is there anything else besides space and matter?
    I think josephw has his own answer to that question. Fundamentalists usually do.
    My follow up question is - can you prove it?
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    02 Nov '09 14:18
    Originally posted by josephw
    ROFL

    Okay. Since you appear to be the only atheist out there with an imagination, I'd like to know what you might think about what it would be like if there wasn't any space or matter.

    I know this is ridiculous, but what else is new?
    What what would be like? There would be no "it."

    BTW. If atheists have no imagination and Christians do, this would suggest that the Christian God is imaginary.
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