1. Standard memberchaney3
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    It's been interesting to follow the dispute between Suzianne and Dive regarding what the trinity actually is.

    Trinity and Godhead seem exactly the same.
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    14 Nov '18 09:28
    @chaney3 said
    It's been interesting to follow the dispute between Suzianne and Dive regarding what the trinity actually is.

    Trinity and Godhead seem exactly the same.
    https://www.dictionary.com/browse/godhead?
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    @suzianne said
    https://www.dictionary.com/browse/godhead?
    Care to elaborate?
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    @chaney3 said
    It's been interesting to follow the dispute between Suzianne and Dive regarding what the trinity actually is.

    Trinity and Godhead seem exactly the same.
    Dive, how can God be ruling the universe, while in Mary's womb?

    Oneness fails.
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    @chaney3 said
    Care to elaborate?
    "Trinity and Godhead seem exactly the same."

    It is what it is.

    Dictionary.com's definition of 'Godhead', definition 1b.

    "1.b. the Holy Trinity of God the Father, Christ the Son, and the Holy Ghost."
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    @suzianne said
    It is what it is.
    Okay.
    Hell, or Heaven.
    No biggie.

    Nice attitude.
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    @chaney3 said
    Dive, how can God be ruling the universe, while in Mary's womb?

    Oneness fails.
    All of these "How can God...?" questions fail because "We Are Not God." He's not subject to our limitations.
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    @suzianne said
    All of these "How can God...?" questions fail because "We Are Not God." He's not subject to our limitations.
    Agreed.

    I pointed that out in my reference of "The Shack".

    God could have been the deer.
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    @chaney3 said
    Agreed.

    I pointed that out in my reference of "The Shack".

    God could have been the deer.
    Did I miss something? Where was this reference made?
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    @suzianne said
    Did I miss something? Where was this reference made?
    Sorry, in a different thread.
    I was speaking to sonship.

    I thought you may have seen it.
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    @suzianne said
    "Trinity and Godhead seem exactly the same."

    It is what it is.

    Dictionary.com's definition of 'Godhead', definition 1b.

    "1.b. the Holy Trinity of God the Father, Christ the Son, and the Holy Ghost."
    Godhead and Trinity are the same.
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    @chaney3 said
    It's been interesting to follow the dispute between Suzianne and Dive regarding what the trinity actually is.

    Trinity and Godhead seem exactly the same.
    And both are a result of fourth century theologians having realized that believing that Jesus and God are one and the same had resulted in being painted into a theological corner. Additionally, the concept of Jesus and God being one and the same cannot be reasonably reconciled to the words Jesus spoke during His ministry.

    Your instincts to question the concept of the trinity are correct. It's fascinating how many delude themselves into believing it.
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    @chaney3 said
    Dive, how can God be ruling the universe, while in Mary's womb?

    Oneness fails.
    Omnipresent. God is simultaneously everywhere. (Allegedly).


    "I am a God who is everywhere and not in one place only...' (Jeremiah 23).
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    @chaney3 said
    Oneness fails.
    i find interesting that folks mostly agree that the human mind is quite limited in terms of computational power,
    and yet,
    we use that sucker on a daily basis to make decisions and proclamations we think are the be all and end all of all time...

    the capabilities of this sentient being (God) exceed our mind...
    it has superpowers, if you will...
    it has no need of clothing, food or water, heat or light,
    heckfire, it creates these things at will...
    and yet,
    humans will make unilateral decisions, pigeonholing this being as humans see fit...
    you think oneness fails???
    you think the descriptions of that which you haven't seen are accurate???
    and you are willing to go out on a limb and say that yer own descriptions are any better???
    God is this, God is that, he ain't she and she ain't fat...
    all the omg moments we ascribe to GAWD are
    our own mind speaking to our own mind

    what any of us think is real
    is only real
    in that our mind has done the creating of that particular reality...

    dang it, it's too freakin early in the morning for me to let my mind run free like this...
    back in yer pen, boy
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    @Ghost-of-a-Duke

    "I am a God who is everywhere and not in one place only...' (Jeremiah 23).


    Could you be a little more careful about your references? Jeremiah chapter 23? Or Jeremiah verse 23? or what?

    Good News Translation?
    23 "I am a God who is everywhere and not in one place only.

    Jeremiah 23:23 - GNT.

    You seem fond of the NIV and the GNT. These are more paraphrase translations.
    Do you have more "strict" or so-called "wooden" translations? I mean less "we're trying to help you modern English reader" paraphrases.

    New American Standard Bible
    "Am I a God who is near," declares the LORD, "And not a God far off?

    King James Bible
    Am I a God at hand, saith the LORD, and not a God afar off?

    Christian Standard Bible
    "Am I a God who is only near"--this is the LORD's declaration--"and not a God who is far away?



    My opinion is that you should refer to those more strict translations first.
    Sometimes the attempt to be "helpful" to the modern reader changes something too much in the original language.

    There is some truth to the saying "Every translation is an interpretation."
    Personally, I refer first to accurate language to language translation before I go to a paraphrase like Good News, Living Bible, NIV.

    Sometimes afterwards I may see how a paraphrase might put it. J B Phillips, Weymouth,

    When I really want to get a strict translation I go check 1901 American Standard, Darby, Recovery Version.

    Darby for example on Jer. 23:23
    Darby Bible Translation
    Am I a God at hand, saith Jehovah, and not a God afar off?


    1901 American Standard
    American Standard Version
    Am I a God at hand, saith Jehovah, and not a God afar off?
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