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    11 May '15 09:44
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    Do you consider it an insult that Suzianne might agree with you on some things? 😏
    No, but that is not at all what you said.

    And if it so happens that she agrees with me on a topic, it's because we happen to share the
    same opinion, and not because "she also believes most of what Googlefudge says is fact".
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    11 May '15 09:47
    Originally posted by whodey
    And I used what was linked to show that I was right.
    No, you didn't.

    There is no passage in the resolution that does what you claim it does.

    Therefore, you and the linked article are lying.

    It's really quite that simple.

    And the great thing is, everyone with basic reading and comprehension skills can
    determine that for themselves.
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    11 May '15 10:25
    Obama Considering Measure To Ban Criticism Of Islam

    If the Obama Administration has its way, the 1st Amendment will be subject to review by the United Nations.


    The UN is pushing member nations to adopt something they call UN resolution 16/18. This is a resolution- proposed by the Organization of Islamic Cooperation, which is made up of 56 Islamic states- which would criminalize "hate speech" targeting Muslims.

    Previous versions of the Resolution, which sought to criminalize blasphemous speech and the “defamation of religion,” were regularly rejected by the American delegation and by the US State Department, which insisted that limitations on speech – even speech deemed to be racist or blasphemous – were at odds with the Constitution. But this latest version, which includes the “incitement to imminent violence” phrase – that is, which criminalizes speech which incites violence against others on the basis of religion, race, or national origin – has succeeded in winning US approval –despite the fact that it (indirectly) places limitations as well on speech considered “blasphemous.”

    Lovely. 56 Islamic nations have drafted a proposal that would make blasphemous speech (as defined by Muslims) illegal, and the American President supports this notion.

    The ostensible purpose of the measure is to outlaw speech which constitutes incitement of violence based on religion, race, or nationality. Sounds reasonable, right? Well, yeah, except violence is already illegal, and conspiracy to commit violence- meaning one person talks to another and then they together commit an act of violence- is also already illegal.

    Particularly troubling is the fact that this law wouldn't in any way inhibit Arab nations from teaching school children that Jews are evil and must be destroyed, or that America is the Great Satan, because they teach things as fact the same way American schools teach 1 plus 1 equals 2. Only Western style democracies will find themselves affected.

    Indeed, as M. Zuhdi Jasser, an observant American Muslim and the founder of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy, remarked in an e-mail,
    “Anyone who believes that Resolution 16’18 is some kind of a breakthrough is sadly being duped by the most obvious Islamist double discourse. The shift from ‘defamation’ to ‘incitement’ does nothing at all to change the basic paradigm where Islamist nations remain in the offense, continuing to put Western, free nations on the defense.”
    Rather, said Jasser, “We should be putting Islamist autocracies on the defense and then simply reiterate that our First Amendment principles already protect the rights of all minorities — whether Muslim or otherwise — and that the best standard of free speech is the American one. Beginning to categorize speech as ‘incitement’ is a slippery slope that could open the floodgates for any post-tragedy analysis to indict what would otherwise be free speech absurdly as incitement in some far-fetched cause-effect analysis that would depend on proving that speech causes violence.”

    Because who, exactly, arbitrates what is “incitement to imminent violence”? Violence by whom? If drawing a caricature of the Prophet incites violence by Islamic radicals to the tune of riots, arson, and murder, all sanctioned by the IOC itself – then drawing such a caricature (or writing a book like the Satanic Verses) will now constitute a criminal act. And that is exactly what the OIC was aiming for. It is also in direct violation of the principles of Western democracy – and the First Amendment.

    Read more: http://www.rightsiderocks.com/article/obama-considering-measure-to-ban-criticism-of-islam#ixzz3Zp6czrbf
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    11 May '15 11:001 edit
    United Nations
    A/HRC/RES/16/18

    Resolution adopted by the Human Rights Council
    16/18 Combating intolerance, negative stereotyping and stigmatization of, and discrimination, incitement to violence and violence against, persons based on religion or belief



    3. Condemns any advocacy of religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility or violence, whether it involves the use of print, audio-visual or electronic media or any other means;

    http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrcouncil/docs/16session/A.HRC.RES.16.18_en.pdf

    Wouldn't this include cartoons of Mo-HAM-ed?
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    11 May '15 11:16
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    United Nations
    A/HRC/RES/16/18

    [b]Resolution adopted by the Human Rights Council
    16/18 Combating intolerance, negative stereotyping and stigmatization of, and discrimination, incitement to violence and violence against, persons based on religion or belief



    [quote]3. Condemns any advocacy of religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrim ...[text shortened]... /hrcouncil/docs/16session/A.HRC.RES.16.18_en.pdf

    Wouldn't this include cartoons of Mo-HAM-ed?[/b]
    Only if such cartoons constitute "advocacy of religious hatred that constitutes incitement
    to discrimination, hostility or violence" and not otherwise.

    Cartoons depicting Mohamed are not in and of themselves hate speech.

    You remain, as ever, free to criticise Islam and draw cartoons of Mohamed to your hearts content.

    What you cannot do, and probably couldn't do anyway, is incite violence against another religion.

    Including yours.
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    11 May '15 16:45
    Originally posted by googlefudge
    Only if such cartoons constitute "advocacy of religious hatred that constitutes incitement
    to discrimination, hostility or violence" and not otherwise.

    Cartoons depicting Mohamed are not in and of themselves hate speech.

    You remain, as ever, free to criticise Islam and draw cartoons of Mohamed to your hearts content.

    What you cannot do, and probably couldn't do anyway, is incite violence against another religion.

    Including yours.
    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_PROPHET_CARTOON_CONTEST_SHOOTING?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-05-03-22-31-03

    As I see it the above cartoon contest would have to be prohibited because of the possibility that extremists in a religion like these may get offended. Therefore, this resolution would conflict with freedom of speech of the U.S. Constitution in my opinion, as well as many others that care about liberty.
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