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Is it possible that Christians are under both Grace and Law, and that it is not necessary to pick one or the other?
Originally posted by Rajk999If God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son......and by doing so, Jesus was crucified.....then ALL are saved, no matter what we do. There is no other way that this could make sense.
Is it possible that Christians are under both Grace and Law, and that it is not necessary to pick one or the other?
Originally posted by chaney3Maybe you should have informed Christ that you cancelled hell and the lake of fire because Christ seems to think that when he returns he will cast the goats into the lake of fire. Read Matt 25.
If God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son......and by doing so, Jesus was crucified.....then ALL are saved, no matter what we do. There is no other way that this could make sense.
As twitehead pointed out in a different thread.....true love does NOT demand anything in return, or it is not true love.
Everybody goes to Heaven, once Je ...[text shortened]... ternal destiny, that is a done deal.
There is NO longer a need for a 'Hell'......for anybody.
Originally posted by Rajk999It is possible to be like the Judaizers in Acts 15 who wanted the Gentile followers of Jesus to be circumcised and brought under the law of Moses.
Is it possible that Christians are under both Grace and Law, and that it is not necessary to pick one or the other?
Originally posted by Rajk999Paul says in very plain language that he is under Grace.
I notice there are not takers, so let me ask it another way.
Were the Apostles under any Law .. either Law of Moses or any other Law?
Originally posted by Rajk999Labeling people is not as important as getting to the teaching of the New Testament.
Paul says in very plain language that he is under Grace.
Paul also says very clearly that he is under Law.
Cherrypickers will take the former statement and run with it, ignoring the second one.
Truthseekers will accept both and attempt to make sense of the apparent contradiction thereby leading to greater understand of the issue.
Which are you?
Originally posted by sonshipI am not referring to that. Paul said he was under Law.
It is possible to be like the Judaizers in [b]Acts 15 who wanted the Gentile followers of Jesus to be circumcised and brought under the law of Moses.
It is possible to be like the Judaizers who prompted Paul to have to write Galatians to the churches in Galatia.[/b]
Originally posted by Rajk999Paul lived a life according to "the law of the Spirit of life"
I am not referring to that. Paul said he was under Law.
Was he or was he not?
Originally posted by sonshipIt should be exactly the same for all Christians but it is NOT.
Paul lived a life according to [b]"the law of the Spirit of life"
(Rom. 8:2) .
Christ the living Person within Paul was the law he lived by.
In this way he was a pioneering forerunner of the normal Christian life.
The living Person dwelling in him, one with him, flowing into all his soul and overflowing out into all of his reactions was the law he lived.
It should be exactly the same for all lovers of Jesus Christ.[/b]
Originally posted by Rajk999It should be exactly the same for all Christians but it is NOT.
"Not that I have already obtained or am already perfectied, but I pursue, if even I may lay hold of that for which I also have been laid hold of by Christ Jesus.
Brothers, I do not account of myself to have laid hold, but one thing I do: Forgetting the things which are behind and stretching forward to the things which are before,
I pursue toward the goal for the prize to which God in Christ Jesus has called me upward.
Let us therefore, as many as are fullgrown, have this mind, ..." (See Phil. 3:12)
"And be found in Him, not having my own righteousness which is out of the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is out of God and based on faith." (v.9)
Originally posted by Rajk999I'm not sure what the disagreement here is all about, so I'll just say being under grace doesn't give us permission for breaking the law.
I am not referring to that. Paul said he was under Law.
Was he or was he not?
Originally posted by divegeesterNot under the Law of Moses, but under Grace... Yes. In speaking to the Jews who insisted in applying the Law of Moses Paul had to explain how grace works - Christ died and was resurrected so that all men are now free of sin in the flesh inherited from Adam. Paul explained that the New Covenant, which replaced the old, brought a new agreement with God and man.
Romans 6:14
...for you are not under law but under grace.
Pretty clear I think.