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A mutation is a change. The result of that change, is genetic information that it wasn't before, ie new genetic information. It is true by definition.

The only way you can wriggle out of it is by having rather restrictive definitions for 'information' or 'addition'. Maybe you should restate your claim with those words clarified.
But even with very restrictive definitions, (eg where the total number of genes after the mutation must be greater than the number before the mutation) you will probably find your claim is still false (addition of genes due to mutations is common place and well documented).

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Originally posted by VoidSpirit
entropy increases in an isolated system.
this.

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Originally posted by twhitehead
A mutation is a change. The result of that change, is genetic information that it wasn't before, ie new genetic information. It is true by definition.

The only way you can wriggle out of it is by having rather restrictive definitions for 'information' or 'addition'. Maybe you should restate your claim with those words clarified.
But even with very res ...[text shortened]... im is still false (addition of genes due to mutations is common place and well documented).
The maybe you can answer the question Mr. Dawkins did not answer.

Can you give an example of a genetic mutation or an evolutionary
process which can be seen to increase the information in the genome?

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Originally posted by RJHinds
The maybe you can answer the question Mr. Dawkins did not answer.

Can you give an example of a genetic mutation or an evolutionary
process which can be seen to increase the information in the genome?
every animal that is.

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Originally posted by RJHinds
The maybe you can answer the question Mr. Dawkins did not answer.

Can you give an example of a genetic mutation or an evolutionary
process which can be seen to increase the information in the genome?
Will you please for the love of god read this link.

http://www.skeptics.com.au/publications/articles/the-information-challenge/

This is an answer to the very question you are asking written at length by a
leading evolutionary expert.

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Originally posted by RJHinds
Can you give an example of a genetic mutation or an evolutionary
process which can be seen to increase the information in the genome?
There are plenty of examples, but one that you are probably familiar with is Downs Syndrome that results in a whole new Chromosome.

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Originally posted by twhitehead
There are plenty of examples, but one that you are probably familiar with is Downs Syndrome that results in a whole new Chromosome.
So you are saying that a Downs Syndrome person has 47 Chromosomes
instead of the normal 46. Is that right?

If so, that extra chromosome doesn't seem to have helped. In fact,
it seems to be a hinderance since the Downs Syndrome person has
an IQ of about 50 or 60. I would like to see evidence where the
mutation or evolutionary process was helpful. Then I might have
cause to reconsider the theory of evolution.

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Originally posted by RJHinds
So you are saying that a Downs Syndrome person has 47 Chromosomes
instead of the normal 46. Is that right?

If so, that extra chromosome doesn't seem to have helped. In fact,
it seems to be a hinderance since the Downs Syndrome person has
an IQ of about 50 or 60. I would like to see evidence where the
mutation or evolutionary process was helpful. Then I might have
cause to reconsider the theory of evolution.
Bacteria which evolved the ability to digest nylon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nylon-eating_bacteria

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[i]Originally pos cience at the beginning of the article, but it becomes
disappointing at the end to find that it is only science fiction.[/b]
And yet, since the introduction of the equation 50 years ago, we've started finding all those exoplanets out there...

'Data from the Kepler mission has been used to estimate that there are at least 50 billion planets in our own galaxy.[3]'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extrasolar_planet

And three of those factors in the Drake equation aren't needed to address the OP.

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Originally posted by RJHinds
So you are saying that a Downs Syndrome person has 47 Chromosomes
instead of the normal 46. Is that right?
Yes, I believe so.

If so, that extra chromosome doesn't seem to have helped.
Correct again. But the question I was answering said nothing about whether the extra information helps or not. You just asked for an example of a mutation that results in extra information so I grabbed the first that came to mind that was well documented and indisputably results in a greater amount of information.

I would like to see evidence where the mutation or evolutionary process was helpful. Then I might have
cause to reconsider the theory of evolution.

Now we both know that isn't true. You wont reconsider the theory of evolution regardless of how much you learn about it or whether or not it make sense to you. You have religious reasons for disputing it not logical ones.

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Ok so let's say evolution is true is man still evolving ? So like in another 100-million years we will have snouts to filter out the polluted atmosphere we made? Eyes that are evolved into UV filters like perfect sunglasses? LOL




Manny

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LOL
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Bigger brains ? LOL



Manny