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    28 Aug '11 07:08
    Increasing degrees of higher-order life from entropic chaos, continually developing by random chance...?
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    28 Aug '11 07:10
    Originally posted by divegeester
    Increasing degrees of higher-order life from entropic chaos, continually developing by random chance...?
    It wasn't entropic chaos. Entropy increases over time, not decreases.
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    28 Aug '11 07:21
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    It wasn't entropic chaos. Entropy increases over time, not decreases.
    Agreed that entropy increases over time which supports the premise of the op.

    Are you saying the early stages of earth's development were not chaotic then?
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    28 Aug '11 07:391 edit
    Yes. Well, depends what you mean by "chaotic" I suppose. It was a state of low entropy.
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    28 Aug '11 07:47
    Originally posted by divegeester
    Agreed that entropy increases over time which supports the premise of the op.

    Are you saying the early stages of earth's development were not chaotic then?
    entropy increases in an isolated system.
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    28 Aug '11 09:36
    Originally posted by divegeester
    Increasing degrees of higher-order life from entropic chaos, continually developing by random chance...?
    What do you mean by 'random chance' here? Have you thought about it?
    If drop some sand into a jar of water, is it random chance that the sand ends up at the bottom of the jar?
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    28 Aug '11 10:04
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    What do you mean by 'random chance' here? Have you thought about it?
    If drop some sand into a jar of water, is it random chance that the sand ends up at the bottom of the jar?
    I see your point, but it is highly unlikely that the sand would get in the jar on it's own.
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    28 Aug '11 12:38
    Just as it is highly unlikely that someone put it there.
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    28 Aug '11 15:40
    Originally posted by Sake
    Just as it is highly unlikely that someone put it there.
    You mean that despite the 2nd law of thermodynamics; animate life emerging and continuing to evolve for millions of years into higher and higher forms of life from inanimate material, is just as unlikely as the creation of that life life? I agree with you.
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    Originally posted by Sake
    Just as it is highly unlikely that someone put it there.
    It sounds to me like he means it is highly unlikely that someone put
    the sand in the jar.
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    28 Aug '11 16:51
    Originally posted by divegeester
    Increasing degrees of higher-order life from entropic chaos, continually developing by random chance...?
    We soon depart Spirituality and get to entropy and the Drake equation which are science.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation
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    28 Aug '11 17:05
    Originally posted by divegeester
    You mean that despite the 2nd law of thermodynamics; animate life emerging and continuing to evolve for millions of years into higher and higher forms of life from inanimate material, is just as unlikely as the creation of that life life? I agree with you.
    Organisms excrete entropy when they exhale, poo and pee. This allows the organism to become less entropic while still increasing total entropy.
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    28 Aug '11 17:07
    Originally posted by JS357
    We soon depart Spirituality and get to entropy and the Drake equation which are science.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation
    It seems like real science at the beginning of the article, but it becomes
    disappointing at the end to find that it is only science fiction.
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    The thing that bothers me most is that people actually belief that a dot this big --->> . exploded and from that, all of what is now today exists. And then from this explosion it just happened to rain for millions of years until a soup formed. And then millions of years later this evolved into bla bla bla.

    Where is the documents, the evidence recorded for this? How the heck can you know you where something before? This is why evolution has many laughable theories which is good for when standing next a BBQ.
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    28 Aug '11 19:37
    Originally posted by JS357
    We soon depart Spirituality and get to entropy and the Drake equation which are science.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation
    What a load of junk - I cant believe I spend time reading stuff like this but at the end it just shows how many fools there are in the world.

    The only other life that exists that people will never find on their own is Heaven. Other than that there is nothing and if there was, and if they were better as most people ALWAYS say, wouldn't they have made contact with us?

    This is one horror story you don't tell your kids.
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