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Is happiness not just another veil that keeps one from reality?
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneI would suspect that some disconnect from reality is a necessary (but certainly not a sufficient) condition for happiness in this world.
Is happiness not just another veil that keeps one from reality?
Originally posted by gaychessplayerDo you think it more important to attain reality or happiness?
I would suspect that some disconnect from reality is a necessary (but certainly not a sufficient) condition for happiness in this world.
If one were at all times mindful of all the pain and suffering going on in the world, it would probably be virtually impossible to be happy for any period of time other than a fleeting moment here and there.
...[text shortened]... t that happiness was only possible when we are least aware of our existence of the here and now.
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneWhy should perceiving the real as the real entail unhappiness?
Do you think it more important to attain reality or happiness?
Is one a more enlightened state than the other?
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneIf knowing the truth entails ultimate unhappiness then who would seek it? Sure , there can be some unhappiness along the way , the way of Christ is not exactly a walk in the park devoid of trials , but a lot depends on what reality is perceived to be.
Do you think it more important to attain reality or happiness?
Is one a more enlightened state than the other?
Originally posted by vistesdI found it interesting how you and others shifted from "happiness" in my post to "unhappiness" in yours. Are there only the two states? Or is there a third neutral state between? Is there a state where you just "are"? When the mind is quiet, is there happiness or unhappiness?
Why should perceiving the real as the real entail unhappiness?
Note: I acknowledge the mental anguish that can come about as the result of dis-illusionment (hyphen deliberate). But if that continues, it means that one is still clinging somehow to illusion (e.g., in terms of wishfully wanting what one now cannot have). If that transient mental anguish ...[text shortened]... ion?”
EDIT ^2: Realization of the real does not entail a chronic state of unhappiness.
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneBibleGateway Mark 4 (New International Version)
Is happiness not just another veil that keeps one from reality?
Originally posted by KellyJayWell said!! You know I have always found it interesting that those who are truly happy are those who show a great deal of love towards others. After all, love is what drives us and what gives our life meaning. Also interesting is the fact that love often involves investing in others and as a result, tends to generate a sacrificial state of mind that ignores ones own love for personal pleasure. I suppose you could say it is a love for another that is greater than a love for self.
BibleGateway Mark 4 (New International Version)
1Again Jesus began to teach by the lake. The crowd that gathered around him was so large that he got into a boat and sat in it out on the lake, while all the people were along the shore at the water's edge. 2He taught them many things by parables, and in his teaching said: 3"Listen! A farmer went out to sow ubt happiness will be what is acquired, it can blind as
much as sorrow can.
Kelly
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneThank you for the questions.
I found it interesting how you and others shifted from "happiness" in my post to "unhappiness" in yours. Are there only the two states? Or is there a third neutral state between? Is there a state where you just "are"? When the mind is quiet, is there happiness or unhappiness?
The desire for happiness, "feeling good", etc. is very strong and instinctual stion is at what point does this desire stop influencing one's perception of reality?