Originally posted by ivanhoe Isn't that begging the question ?
Religion was invented, started, expanded and developed by humans. To state that a God had his hand in it takes faith. But to those of us who would rather debate the facts, it takes a human vessel for God to do or say anything to us be it through scripture, prophecy, etc.
Originally posted by ivanhoe Danny: "... just take a look at the current world religions, they are all religions invented by humans for humans, ... "
ALL religions ? I wonder how you can be so sure ? Is your claim based on any evidence ? Can you present this evidence please ?
Well Buddism was "invented" by the budda.
Islam was written by mohammad
The bible was written by a whole host of bearded sandel wearing blokes.
My point is that in any religion, at the end of the day we have to just take the word of some bloke who wrote the book or came up with the ideas.. Even if he does claim to have been told by god, we're still believing him, thus they are human.
Even if for the sake of this we beleive that God did actually talk to these guys, its still their interpretation of what god said to them..
Originally posted by ivanhoe Danny: "... just take a look at the current world religions, they are all religions invented by humans for humans, ... "
ALL religions ? I wonder how you can be so sure ? Is your claim based on any evidence ? Can you present this evidence please ?
Cool. I will buy into what you are saying for now. Let's assume that any or all religions are given to us by their selected deity.
Which one? Why can't all of the respected religions of the world have had their respected gods hand down their book of knowledge? Why does there always have to be just one?
Originally posted by Joe Fist Cool. I will buy into what you are saying for now. Let's assume that any or all religions are given to us by their selected deity.
Which one? Why can't all of the respected religions of the world have had their respected gods hand down their book of knowledge? Why does there always have to be just one?
Because the Christian God says He is the only one, and since He has never lied before, we have to assume He's telling the truth. Not to mention all other religion's holy books fall apart under scrutiny, which is why you guys and other atheists spend a large part of your time trying to disprove the Bible.
Originally posted by Darfius Because the Christian God says He is the only one, and since He has never lied before, we have to assume He's telling the truth. Not to mention all other religion's holy books fall apart under scrutiny, which is why you guys and other atheists spend a large part of your time trying to disprove the Bible.
Well again I have heard your views and your arguement for Christianity. I think the Bible has as much and no more validity than any of the other holy books.
You haven't proven to me conclusively that Christ is God. In the end you asked me to use my logic to believe in it whereas you have not proven any reason to believe in it.
You have stated there is only one Christian God and I challenged you to prove it. I'm still not convinced.
Originally posted by Joe Fist Well again I have heard your views and your arguement for Christianity. I think the Bible has as much and no more validity than any of the other holy books.
You haven't proven to me conclusively that Christ is God. In the end you asked me to use my logic to believe in it whereas you have not proven any reason to believe in it.
You have stated there is only one Christian God and I challenged you to prove it. I'm still not convinced.
So you believe the book of mormon which states that Adam became God is just as valid as the Bible which states that God has always existed?
Originally posted by Darfius So you believe the book of mormon which states that Adam became God is just as valid as the Bible which states that God has always existed?
You should be honest, rather than bias.
I am being completely honest and you should not make assumptions. Find one conversation that I have endorsed the Book of Mormon? Find one conversation where I have endorsed any holy book over another? I haven't. I said, the Bible has as much and no more validity then any other holy book. For all I know, the mormons could be right. I don't wish to discredit them and, as far as I know but I can't say for sure, I have not heard any mormon condemn for not being mormon and assuring me I am damned for Hell.
Originally posted by Joe Fist I am being completely honest and you should not make assumptions. Find one conversation that I have endorsed the Book of Mormon? Find one conversation where I have endorsed any holy book over another? I haven't. I said, the Bible has as much and no more validity then any other holy book. For all I know, the mormons could be right. I don't wish to di ...[text shortened]... , I have not heard any mormon condemn for not being mormon and assuring me I am damned for Hell.
Answer the question, please. Do you find the book of mormon which states that Adam became God to be just as valid as the Bible which states that God has always existed? If so, why?
Originally posted by Darfius Answer the question, please. Do you find the book of mormon which states that Adam became God to be just as valid as the Bible which states that God has always existed? If so, why?
I did but to be clear yes I find the book of Mormon to be just as valid. Why? Because I don't believe either one of them. I think I have been quite clear on this. I don't believe the Bible, the book of Mormon, the Koran, the book of Buddha (if such a thing exists), or any book to be the absolute authority on God.
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