war! what is it good for?

Originally posted by Rajk999
Should the world have allowed Hitler to overrun Europe without declaring war on him ?

You mean Hitler the good little catholic boy...


If you argue that the bible is the arbiter of all that is moral and gives detailed instructions for how
Christians should behave then it wouldn't matter how evil Hitler was...

If the bible says that you shouldn't kill or go to war, then that's that, you shouldn't do it...
(according to your religion)

So it doesn't matter how bad Hitler was, your argument for what 'Christians' should do if you believe
in biblical Christianity stands or falls on what the bible says.


If you Don't believe in the bible as the absolute arbiter and thus employ secular moral reasoning...
(which anyone not stoning adulterers and burning witches is already doing even if they don't realise it)
Then it does matter how evil Hitler is... But I don't understand how you can claim any grounds for being a
Christian as you are now basically making up your own morality and not relying on the commandments in
the bible.

Now I am all for this of course... But if it's relevant how evil Hitler was to whether or not you think it was right
to fight him regardless of what it says in the bible then you are basically admitting that the bible is not your
ultimate source of morality.
Which is true, because if it was you would be going round killing lots of people for committing various 'crimes'
we no-longer recognise... like being gay, or sleeping with someone out of wedlock, or being an atheist...

You have a (mostly) secular morality, you just don't know it.

Originally posted by googlefudge
You mean Hitler the good little catholic boy...


If you argue that the bible is the arbiter of all that is moral and gives detailed instructions for how
Christians should behave then it wouldn't matter how evil Hitler was...

If the bible says that you shouldn't kill or go to war, then that's that, you shouldn't do it...
(according to your re ing an atheist...

You have a (mostly) secular morality, you just don't know it.

Since when are you an authority on what Christianity says or does not say?

The same God that says do not kill, also told Israel to wipe out the settlers from Palestine. So clearly 'do not kill' has nothing to do with going to war.

There are many justifiable reasons for killing and going to war.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Since when are you an authority on what Christianity says or does not say?

The same God that says do not kill, also told Israel to wipe out the settlers from Palestine. So clearly 'do not kill' has nothing to do with going to war.

There are many justifiable reasons for killing and going to war.

That's the point the bible has nothing to say on the subject by virtue of its own internal contradictions.

Originally posted by JS357
"What do you think would have happened to the U.S if it were a pacifist nation when it was attacked by the Japanese Empire in 1941?"

What-if history is touchy. A pacifist US?

No attack of Pearl Harbor by Japan because a pacifist US would not have an armada based there. Japan might have even wanted trade talks. After all, a pacifist US could not enforce ...[text shortened]... China, the United States, Britain, and the Dutch.)

This is a stretch in this forum. Sorry.

I am sorry too, for that is only wishful thinking on your part.

Originally posted by stellspalfie
right on brother!!! never a wiser word spoken. but robbie!! it doesnt explain why christians go to war!

We go to war to protect our freedom of religion. And that means Christianity
and not what the atheists think it means.

Originally posted by stellspalfie
right on brother!!! never a wiser word spoken. but robbie!! it doesnt explain why christians go to war!

If we Christians did not go to war, who would protect robbie's freedom to
be a JW?

Originally posted by kevcvs57
That's the point the bible has nothing to say on the subject by virtue of its own internal contradictions.

Not seeing any contradictions.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Since when are you an authority on what Christianity says or does not say?

The same God that says do not kill, also told Israel to wipe out the settlers from Palestine. So clearly 'do not kill' has nothing to do with going to war.

There are many justifiable reasons for killing and going to war.

Regardless of what Dasa thinks about the animal killers changing the scriptures,
the commandment from God was not to "murder" which is killing with malice.
That is not the same as killing for food or as an act of defense. That is made
clear when one reads all the Holy Bible instead of just portions, like many
people do.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Not seeing any contradictions.

The same God that says do not kill, also told Israel to wipe out the settlers from Palestine. So clearly 'do not kill' has nothing to do with going to war.

If you cannot see the internal contradiction in the above quote I would imagine your god must be pulling his hair out and wishing he had not taken a day off.

Originally posted by kevcvs57
The same God that says do not kill, also told Israel to wipe out the settlers from Palestine. So clearly 'do not kill' has nothing to do with going to war.

If you cannot see the internal contradiction in the above quote I would imagine your god must be pulling his hair out and wishing he had not taken a day off.

God said eat, and also said dont eat [too much].

God said answer a fool and also said dont answer a fool.

I guess on his day off he should have removed dunces from his creation that cant use their judgement as to when and how to apply commandments.

If you want think like a robot thats your business pal.

Originally posted by Rajk999
I guess on his day off he should have removed dunces from his creation that cant use their judgement as to when and how to apply commandments.

You are suggesting that 'cherry picking' by each and every person in accordance with their personal judgement is authorised by "God"?

Originally posted by FMF
You are suggesting that 'cherry picking' by each and every person in accordance with their personal judgement is authorised by "God"?

Yes. Thats what free will and the ability to discern good from evil gives us the ability to do. Decide and make our own judgments. If we are wrong we accept the consequences.

Originally posted by RJHinds
We go to war to protect our freedom of religion. And that means Christianity
and not what the atheists think it means.

We will protect our philosophy against your religion.

We are now at war. You and us!

We are Buddhist, and you want war to protect your freedom and religion?

Buddhism is considered atheist, even though it is religious.

What's your first point of attack?


-m. 😲

Originally posted by Rajk999
God said eat, and also said dont eat [too much].

God said answer a fool and also said dont answer a fool.

I guess on his day off he should have removed dunces from his creation that cant use their judgement as to when and how to apply commandments.

If you want think like a robot thats your business pal.

They cannot be commandments and loose take it or leave it depending on your mood type hints. By getting personal you just demonstrate that you have no real response to the question. The fact is the bible has issues with it's own internal logic. This is not an evolution versus creation type argument it's about wether the bible adequately answers one of the gravest questions faced by mankind either it does'nt or it's been let down by it's spokespersons.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Yes. Thats what free will and the ability to discern good from evil gives us the ability to do. Decide and make our own judgments. If we are wrong we accept the consequences.

You reckon the God you worship was deliberately setting up a situation in which his followers could and would continually condemn each other, if they wanted to, because they were permitted to 'cherry pick'?