1. Felicific Forest
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    30 May '05 15:47
    Are there any extra-biblical accounts of the fact that Jesus Christ really was an historic figure ?

    Answer: Yes.

    http://members.aol.com/FLJOSEPHUS/testimonium.htm

    In Rome, in the year 93, Josephus published his lengthy history of the Jews. While discussing the period in which the Jews of Judaea were governed by the Roman procurator Pontius Pilate, Josephus included the following account:

    The "Testimonium Flavianum":

    "About this time there lived Jesus, a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man. For he was one who performed surprising deeds and was a teacher of such people as accept the truth gladly. He won over many Jews and many of the Greeks. He was the Messiah. And when, upon the accusation of the principal men among us, Pilate had condemned him to a cross, those who had first come to love him did not cease. He appeared to them spending a third day restored to life, for the prophets of God had foretold these things and a thousand other marvels about him. And the tribe of the Christians, so called after him, has still to this day not disappeared."
    - Jewish Antiquities, 18.3.3 §63
    (Based on the translation of Louis H. Feldman, The Loeb Classical Library.)

    http://members.aol.com/FLJOSEPHUS/testimonium.htm
  2. Felicific Forest
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    30 May '05 15:53
    http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761565222/Jesus_Christ.html

    "Today, scholars generally agree that Jesus was a historical figure whose existence is authenticated both by Christian writers and by several Roman and Jewish historians."
  3. Felicific Forest
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    30 May '05 16:03

    http://www.webedelic.com/church/figuref.htm

    Was Jesus Christ a True Figure of History?

    The central question for investigation in this study is, Was Jesus Christ a true figure of History? The question can, and must be, answered affirmatively for a considerable number of reasons. First and foremost, the four Gospels themselves can be demonstrated to be valid, trustworthy historical documents. That is, using the historical method fairly, as one would use the method on any other ancient document, one would discover that the four Gospels have better attestation than any other writing of antiquity. [1] However, this paper will dismiss the Gospel evidence, as solid as it is.

    http://www.webedelic.com/church/figuref.htm


  4. Standard memberfrogstomp
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    30 May '05 16:18
    Originally posted by ivanhoe
    Are there any extra-biblical accounts of the fact that Jesus Christ really was an historic figure ?

    Answer: Yes.

    http://members.aol.com/FLJOSEPHUS/testimonium.htm

    In Rome, in the year 93, Josephus published his lengthy history of the Jews. While discussing the period in which the Jews of Judaea were governed by the Roman procurator Pontius Pilate, ...[text shortened]... s H. Feldman, The Loeb Classical Library.)

    http://members.aol.com/FLJOSEPHUS/testimonium.htm
    Don't rely on JOSEPHUS you're quoting from his 2nd book .. in his first book , covering the same period he doesn't mention Christ.
    and he wasnt contemporary to Christ either.
  5. Standard membercelticcountry
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    30 May '05 18:48
    Originally posted by ivanhoe
    Are there any extra-biblical accounts of the fact that Jesus Christ really was an historic figure ?

    Answer: Yes.

    http://members.aol.com/FLJOSEPHUS/testimonium.htm

    In Rome, in the year 93, Josephus published his lengthy history of the Jews. While discussing the period in which the Jews of Judaea were governed by the Roman procurator Pontius Pilate, ...[text shortened]... s H. Feldman, The Loeb Classical Library.)

    http://members.aol.com/FLJOSEPHUS/testimonium.htm
    Yes.I have read something in the Past.


    Jesus did actually walk on this planet.

    There are non religeous references to him.
  6. Standard memberDavid C
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    30 May '05 19:55
    Josephus? Please. It wasn't until Eusebius in 320 CE that Josephus' Jewish Antiquites even MENTIONED "Jesus".

    The Josephus account is a blatant R.C. forgery. You'll have to do better than that.
  7. Not Kansas
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    30 May '05 20:30
    Originally posted by David C
    Josephus? Please. It wasn't until Eusebius in 320 CE that Josephus' Jewish Antiquites even MENTIONED "Jesus".

    The Josephus account is a blatant R.C. forgery. You'll have to do better than that.
    Oh, come on!
    The Church of that era would never lie!
    Would they?
  8. London
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    31 May '05 17:07
    Originally posted by KneverKnight
    Oh, come on!
    The Church of that era would never lie!
    Would they?
    Sarcasm is easy.
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