Was Peter crucified upside-down?

Originally posted by chaney3
The Bible.

So your inquiry into the veracity of what the Bible says is built upon the premise that the veracity of what the Bible says, preemptively, as it were, is a given, is that right?

Originally posted by chaney3
I cannot dispute your bringing up suicide bombers. To me, they are "madmen".

Edit: although I don't view the death of Peter as anything close to the same thing.

This answer of yours has simply sidestepped the main point I made to you which was that... 'How firmly people believed something' is evidence of nothing much aside from the state of mind of the people dying and the notions and beliefs that they internalized during their lifetimes.

Originally posted by FMF
So your inquiry into the veracity of what the Bible says is built upon the premise that the veracity of what the Bible says, preemptively, as it were, is a given, is that right?

So are you implying that there is no evidence apart from the Bible for the veracity of what the Bible says?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
So are you implying that there is no evidence apart from the Bible for the veracity of what the Bible says?

If there is no evidence apart from the Bible itself for the veracity of what the Bible says then that is a textbook case of circular reasoning. If that's good enough for you, intellectually speaking, so be it. But it is something you ought to acknowledge when discussing your "evidence" with people who don't subscribe to ~ in your case ~ ancient Hebrew mythology and those writings about Jesus produced in the decades and centuries after his death.

Originally posted by FMF
If there is no evidence apart from the Bible itself for the veracity of what the Bible says then that is a textbook case of circular reasoning. If that's good enough for you, intellectually speaking, so be it. But it is something you ought to acknowledge when discussing your "evidence" with people who don't subscribe to ~ in your case ~ ancient Hebrew mythology and those writings about Jesus produced in the decades and centuries after his death.

Are you implying there is no evidence for the veracity of the Bible apart from the Bible itself? Yes or No?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
Are you implying there is no evidence for the veracity of the Bible apart from the Bible itself? Yes or No?

I gave you my answer. If you have any evidence to corroborate the claims that Christians make about Jesus, and about things like who met him, and who it actually was who wrote what and when they did it, by which I mean evidence that is not merely stuff that is contained in your supposedly self-verifying bible, then feel free to present it.

Originally posted by FMF
I gave you my answer. If you have any evidence to corroborate the claims that Christians make about Jesus, and about things like who met him, and who it actually was who wrote what and when they did it, by which I mean evidence that is not merely stuff that is contained in your supposedly self-verifying bible, then feel free to present it.

I have presented you with evidence before. Why are you pretending to have forgotten?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
I have presented you with evidence before. Why are you pretending to have forgotten?

You are mistaken. You haven't presented any evidence that the words attributed to a man referred to as "Peter" were spoken by or written by someone who met Jesus. That is what is being discussed here. So I am not "pretending" anything. If you think you have presented evidence that is taken from sources other than the bible and which establishes or corroborates that the "Peter" chaney3 is referring to is a man who met Jesus, then point to the post in which you did this?

-Removed-

So since I am not a Bible scholar I have to find my own evidence and can't use the findings of someone else who actually is a Bible scholar? And this is you being serious?

As a Christian, would you say there is no evidence to support your belief in the Bible?

Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk
As a Christian, would you say there is no evidence to support your belief in the Bible?

Is this in connection with whether Peter was crucified upside-down?