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Originally posted by mikelom
What a load of Godswallop!
The numbers of hairs in our head are numbered individually?
Get a hair grip man!
I never heard such BS in my life.
-m.
The numbers of hairs in our head are numbered individually?
Get a hair grip man!
I never heard such BS in my life.
Not only is God intimately knowledgeable with the minutest physical and soulical details of your being. But even before you came into existence He could look into the soil and see each element that would come together to be YOU.
"For it was You who formed my inward parts; You wove me together in my mother's womb. ... My frame was not hidden from You When I was made in secret, Skillfully fashioned in the depths of the earth.
Your eyes saw my unformed substance; And in Your book all of them were written ..." (See Psalm 139:13-16)
God's knowledge of you is total and complete beyond all human comprehension. I mean YOU, mikelom. I mean both you and me.
Originally posted by mikelomIn the op I eluded to the "average man on the street". The general christian populace that is the majority that surrounds me. So for the society I live in right now I think it is new, and christians will have to consider wave theory, as a definate fact of sorts , so they can re-interprate their own bible better.
Errm about 1929 yes. Is that relatively new to you??
I suppose if you live in the bible it must seem like 2 hours ago!
Originally posted by karoly aczelI am sure any theory has to be proven before it is declared fact.
Apparently sumydid seemed to be a bit affected by it when trying to justify his faith to himself, or so I understood.
edit: also jaywill opted to embrace a wave-like theory (in poem form) to use as metaphor for ideology.
Thats just of 2 examples of chrsitians that have considered "wave theory",( a little bit, anyway), so it has had some impact ... maybe not much, but ...
Originally posted by RJHindsJust because it is not a well rounded fact, as in say 100% true, a scientific theory, like quantum wave theory is like 99.999999999999% true.
I am sure any theory has to be proven before it is declared fact.
Do you get it? Your question is just splitting hairs. Scientific theories describe the world as factually as possible. It doesn't mean the whole theory could be wrong, just a small part of it, MAYBE !
Originally posted by tomtom232Well...yeah. Something like that. It is in the "seeing" that we condition ourselves to belive in the outside world, by and large, we rarely use all 6 senses. (We dont "feel" enough)
So if we all look away from God he won't be there when we turn back around? 😀
We can see this by how easily we see "faces"(or bodies,etc.), in nature and abstract art, for example.
Originally posted by karoly aczelAre you aware of Schrodinger's cat? And Murray-Gell-Mann's studies in quantum physica about this?
Well...yeah. Something like that. It is in the "seeing" that we condition ourselves to belive in the outside world, by and large, we rarely use all 6 senses. (We dont "feel" enough)
We can see this by how easily we see "faces"(or bodies,etc.), in nature and abstract art, for example.
I'm sure you are aware that an electron can be in 2 places at once, if you understand quantum physics. Schrodinger took it a step further, and incredibly it is looking to be near proven.
Atoms break down generally when the electron leaves. But electrons are aware and have knowledge. This is where they know whether or not to act as a wave or a particle, and whether or not another electron is in the vicinity. They formulate themselves upon observation, i.e they know when they are being looked at.
If they aren't being looked at, then they do as they please. If you put a cat in a box and close the lid, how do you know if the cat is still there?
If you turn your back on a tree, is it still there? The latest theories point to the fact that it isn't. The electrons whizz of to do something else, and will only reform when you try to look at the tree again, as that is how fast they can move. They can be on the opposite side of the universe, whilst also being here at the tree.
They can only be in those two places at once if they aren't being observed. I've tried quite a few times to see if I can beat them, but I'm just too slow unfortunately.
Now I wonder if Stevie Wonder can actually be on the opposite side of the universe and here, cos he can't observe himself. 😉
-m.
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Originally posted by mikelomHmm, yes, well I wasn't being literal (hence using "like" ).
Are you aware of Schrodinger's cat? And Murray-Gell-Mann's studies in quantum physica about this?
I'm sure you are aware that an electron can be in 2 places at once, if you understand quantum physics. Schrodinger took it a step further, and incredibly it is looking to be near proven.
Atoms break down generally when the electron leaves. But electrons a on the opposite side of the universe and here, cos he can't observe himself. 😉
-m.
Thanks for the info.
So far I have not thrown up any conclusions, just tried to get an impression of where people were with this . As you know the quantum world describes the world we see around us. So it is kind of important for people to know, theists or athiests.
Originally posted by sumydidnot so unless you are willing to concede that everything in the koran, vedas, and the vast multitude of religious psychobabble can be taken just as literally.
This came up in a prior thread, so I'll be repeating myself for the most part.
Understanding the wave-particle duality and the implications for a holographic universe contributed to my conversion to Christianity.
So at least from my perspective, it not only doesn't detract from the God hypothesis, it helps folks like me understand the logical--even sci ...[text shortened]... ally without batting an eye. Anything that seems "impossible" would be completely possible.
Originally posted by karoly aczeli doubt either of them understand wave theory, and of the two, jaywill had not considered any association before this thread.
Apparently sumydid seemed to be a bit affected by it when trying to justify his faith to himself, or so I understood.
edit: also jaywill opted to embrace a wave-like theory (in poem form) to use as metaphor for ideology.
Thats just of 2 examples of chrsitians that have considered "wave theory",( a little bit, anyway), so it has had some impact ... maybe not much, but ...
Originally posted by karoly aczelit is not wise to align yourself with anything, nor is it wise to make decisions based on a tentative knowledge about a subject. one of the biggest flaws of the masses, religious or not, is that they make decisions based on tentative knowledge of a subject.
Probably. Still they are wise to allign themselves with it, no matter how tenative a grasp they may have on the subject.
Originally posted by VoidSpiritYes, but that tentative knowledge can be increased. It's just a start, as it is just a start for quantum.
it is not wise to align yourself with anything, nor is it wise to make decisions based on a tentative knowledge about a subject. one of the biggest flaws of the masses, religious or not, is that they make decisions based on tentative knowledge of a subject.
I guess it comes back to whether they are just going to use parts of it to try to justify their dogma, or use it wisely and perhaps apply it honestly to their belief systems and see where they are lacking.
Originally posted by karoly aczelonly time will tell, but my money is on "justify their dogma"
Yes, but that tentative knowledge can be increased. It's just a start, as it is just a start for quantum.
I guess it comes back to whether they are just going to use parts of it to try to justify their dogma, or use it wisely and perhaps apply it honestly to their belief systems and see where they are lacking.
Originally posted by VoidSpiritIt only takes a significant minority, a critical mass, if you will, to start making logical changes to their dogma/beliefs, ie. it should result in less dogma.
only time will tell, but my money is on "justify their dogma"
Whether they achieve this critical mass of rational christians is, as you say, in doubt at the moment.