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@petewxyz said
At what point does the flavour exist? When it is experienced as a flavour, when it was within the sandwich components but not yet mixed in the mouth? When the chemicals that were destined to form the complex molecules first came into being?

An enjoyable sandwich only becomes enjoyable when all the right ingredients come together. Cheese on its own is just cheese with it's own flavour, pickle is just pickle, bread is just bread, butter is just butter. In isolation, none of them are an enjoyable sandwich. The magic happens once they are correctly combined.

@secondson said
But under hypnosis adults can recall having conscious awareness as infants, and a child in the womb is aware of his mothers voice.

I do believe though that consciousness is developed over time. Each new learned thing contributes to awareness. The conscience is refined by knowledge and experience.

I'm just talking off the top of my head here. Your thoughts?

Sorry to burst that bubble old chap, but under hypnosis, adults have also recalled having memories of previous lives. (Invariably as Napoleon).

@secondson said
Are you a Christian Pete?

I am, and I'm not "conformed" to any religion. I take my cues from the Bible, and the Bible says "In the beginning God created..."

What unreasonable social behavior does believing that have on others?

I try and avoid labels as no two people seem to use the label to mean the same thing. I grew up surrounded by what would probably be called atheism to the point where religion didn't feature much in my life at all. If I had to have a label it would probably be agnostic. If I can't see the harm in being uncertain I tend to try and stay uncertain. My philosophy of life is probably as simple as what goes round comes around. If you manage to put more good out there then there is more going around. I think labels can easily result in division and tribalism although I suppose that depends what people do with them.

I don't think religious beliefs cause unreasonable behaviour. If that happens it is down to what people do with them. Similarly I don't think that having no religion causes unreasonable behaviour.

@secondson said
But under hypnosis adults can recall having conscious awareness as infants, and a child in the womb is aware of his mothers voice.

I do believe though that consciousness is developed over time. Each new learned thing contributes to awareness. The conscience is refined by knowledge and experience.

I'm just talking off the top of my head here. Your thoughts?

Where and what is consciousness is probably something I feel the most uncertain about. Always interested in hearing people's views and ideas.

Take the example of very severe dementia in which the person has lost all memory to the point of not knowing who they are or any of their own story but they still have consciousness. Or the example of a person who can experience no perceptions but still has consciousness. It seems something other than memory, experience or perception. Does it develop or does the experience available to it develop whilst it was always there? Does it change as memories become available to it or was it simply the availability of memories that changed?

@ghost-of-a-duke said
An enjoyable sandwich only becomes enjoyable when all the right ingredients come together. Cheese on its own is just cheese with it's own flavour, pickle is just pickle, bread is just bread, butter is just butter. In isolation, none of them are an enjoyable sandwich. The magic happens once they are correctly combined.

The problem with this analogy is that it is just making me hungry. That must be why they say analogy is always flawed.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Hence me putting 'think' in inverted comas.

🙂

Yep, no, I realize that the repeated 'expansion-followed-by-crunch-followed-by-expansion' is the stuff of science fiction and does resolve problems like the eventual heat-death of the universe if there is not enough mass, but as I think the continued existence of man after this existence occurs on another, probably spiritual plane leaving no need for a physical universe, I am leaning towards the universe being a one-off phenomenon.

-Removed-

At the Big Bang moment and immediately afterward, there was nothing but energy representing all possible frequencies, I'm pretty sure it was awash in light. Matter later coelesced from this over-abundance of energy.

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Ummmm, no.

Light is just energy. See Maxwell's equations. Some of that intial energy had to be in the visible light spectrum. There were microwaves, gamma waves, every conceivable frequency of energy, so it's easy to assume that there was also lots and lots of visible light.

Light does not need nuclear fusion to occur, but the total energy of the universe at one planck time unit was far far more energy than contained in any nuclear fusion, so even if true, this could not prevent light from existing. Light is just energy, that is all the universe contained, so yeah, of course there was light.

@suzianne said
At the Big Bang moment and immediately afterward, there was nothing but energy representing all possible frequencies, I'm pretty sure it was awash in light. Matter later coelesced from this over-abundance of energy.

Light is usually thought to have come into existence some 300,000 years after the Big Bang (known as the Era of Recombination). A short time I guess in the vastness of time and space.

This light is still traceable from the remnants of the 'microwave' part of the spectrum.

@petewxyz said
I don't think religious beliefs cause unreasonable behaviour. If that happens it is down to what people do with them. Similarly I don't think that having no religion causes unreasonable behaviour.

Agreed. I think in the final analysis it boils down to individual choices. Religious people do bad things, and non-religious people do good things. And vice versa.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Sorry to burst that bubble old chap, but under hypnosis, adults have also recalled having memories of previous lives. (Invariably as Napoleon).

True, but still I believe conscience develops over time.

It starts with no conscience.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Light is usually thought to have come into existence some 300,000 years after the Big Bang (known as the Era of Recombination). A short time I guess in the vastness of time and space.

This light is still traceable from the remnants of the 'microwave' part of the spectrum.

Seriously? Come now, don't you think that is all just speculation?

Isn't it?

@suzianne said
At the Big Bang moment and immediately afterward, there was nothing but energy representing all possible frequencies, I'm pretty sure it was awash in light. Matter later coelesced from this over-abundance of energy.

Where's that verse in the Bible? 🤔

@secondson said
Where's that verse in the Bible? 🤔

Here is one from the bible:

And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen. (John 21:25 KJV)

What that passage says is that anyone who thinks the bible is a complete source of information for every topic under the sun is a damn fool.