We all had one

@ghost-of-a-duke said
You don't think the knobbly bits suggest a previous appendage?

Knobbly bits? That's hysterical! Besides, I didn't feel it that closely.

I find nothing in the 8.7 million species on earth that suggests any of them evolved from nothing. Everything was created from nothing because from nothing is the only logical explanation for how everything exists.

If from matter/energy evolved life, then where did matter/energy come from? For one to say matter/energy has always existed requires, logically, that one has always existed.

@secondson said
Knobbly bits? That's hysterical! Besides, I didn't feel it that closely.

I find nothing in the 8.7 million species on earth that suggests any of them evolved from nothing. Everything was created from nothing because from nothing is the only logical explanation for how everything exists.

If from matter/energy evolved life, then where did matter/energy come from? For one to say matter/energy has always existed requires, logically, that one has always existed.

Let me suggest some reading material to you.

On the Origin of Species, by Charles Darwin.

I bet Amazon has a Kindle version.

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@ghost-of-a-duke said
I'm assuming that Christians who have incorporated evolution into 'God's work' believe we have evolved into God's image. (Hence losing the tail).



He got it, and you didn't. Is that what this hissy fit is about?

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Because we all know that making a hobby out of slagging on other Christians in this forum requires a "cheery" disposition, you know, full of "hope and gratitude".

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How cheery can a fellow be who, like yourself, spends nearly all day every day trading witless insults on a forum ostensibly dedicated to the discussion of spiritual matters? Moreover, you appear to be despised around here by both theists and atheists alike, which is quite a trick.

@secondson said
Knobbly bits? That's hysterical! Besides, I didn't feel it that closely.

I find nothing in the 8.7 million species on earth that suggests any of them evolved from nothing. Everything was created from nothing because from nothing is the only logical explanation for how everything exists.

If from matter/energy evolved life, then where did matter/energy come from? For one to say matter/energy has always existed requires, logically, that one has always existed.

It is my belief that matter has always existed, in one form or another. (Though not necessarily in a knobbly state).

There has never been 'nothing.'

@ghost-of-a-duke said
It is my belief that matter has always existed, in one form or another. (Though not necessarily in a knobbly state).

There has never been 'nothing.'

I've been thinking that matter is a kind of interference pattern or ripples in a multidimensional substrate, but have no idea how orbiting particles would fit into that.

Not trying to outdo the real physics experts who have devoted their lives to these questions -- I'm well aware of the Dunninger-Kreskin Effect.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
In the sixth week of gestation, the human fetus has a temporary tail.

In an evolutionary context, this isn't a problem. How do the theists though who reject the idea of evolution (I'm aware not all do) account for the existence of such an appendage?

Perhaps God is more of a cosmic cat-dragon than an anthropoid, and intentionally lost Its tail on the Sixth Day, so that we tiny primates would not feel so bad about not also being cat-dragons.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
It is my belief that matter has always existed, in one form or another. (Though not necessarily in a knobbly state).

There has never been 'nothing.'

Another take:

I'm sure you know what Carl Sagan might say about knobbly. 😉

I'm cool with the idea of some Cosmic Mind saying (or thinking) "Behold!" and splashing out the cosmos, even if that meant just setting the parameters or priming a vasty magic-crystal tank. Mind as an a-priori property rather than an emergent one.

But (original) Star Trek then Olaf Stapledon's timelines especially expanded my cosmoconception to the point of being skeptical of Earthly (that is, local) scriptures, although I have come around to appreciating them as cultural artifacts that are still beneficial and inspiring to many.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
It is my belief that matter has always existed, in one form or another. (Though not necessarily in a knobbly state).

There has never been 'nothing.'

As I think I understood it, it is because there never was a never. Space and time were created at the same moment.

@kegge said
As I think I understood it, it is because there never was a never. Space and time were created at the same moment.

That sounds about right. (Though would be inclined to replace 'created' with originated).

I fear the word 'created.' 😲