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    Genesis 1:26 and 3:22.

    Plurals. Comments?
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    @chaney3 said
    Genesis 1:26 and 3:22.

    Plurals. Comments?
    Do we have to look the scriptures up or just guess?

    Which translations?
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    @divegeester said
    Do we have to look the scriptures up or just guess?

    Which translations?
    Do you own a bible?
    Can't you just look?

    Sorry, I was rushed for time at that moment, but still wanted to discuss.
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    @chaney3 said
    Genesis 1:26 and 3:22.

    Plurals. Comments?
    “We are not amused.” - Queen Victoria.

    Was the Queen indicating there was more than one of her?
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    I think to start to solve this problem you have to begin with process of elimination.

    Who besides God Himself was involved in the creation of man ? Consult other portions of the Bible for help on the question.

    "And God said, Let us make man in our image, ... "( v.26a)

    So God created man in His own image, . .." (v.27a)


    1.) Could God have been talking about Himself and angels?
    2.) Could God have been talking about Himself and another god or gods?
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    @ghost-of-a-duke said
    “We are not amused.” - Queen Victoria.

    Was the Queen indicating there was more than one of her?
    Contrary to many in the British Isles, the Queen is not God.
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    @chaney3 said
    Genesis 1:26 and 3:22.

    Plurals. Comments?
    For clarity, please see John 1:1.
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    @suzianne said
    Contrary to many in the British Isles, the Queen is not God.
    Yeah!!! That's right!!!

    You tell him supergirl.
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    @suzianne said
    For clarity, please see John 1:1.
    The Trinity is your answer?
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    @chaney3

    There is no "We" there.
    There is an "Us".

    In Isaiah 6 you have a "We" in God's speaking.
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    @sonship
    In Isaiah 6 you have a "We" in God's speaking.

    I am wrong.

    Correction: There is no mention of "We" in Isaiah 6.

    Don't some of you check to verify when someone says something is in the Bible ?
    "Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us? "(Isa.6:8)

    Somebody should double check for themselves.
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    @chaney3 said
    The Trinity is your answer?
    This is what makes Elohim plural.
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    @suzianne said
    This is what makes Elohim plural.
    Evidently such a claim is due to a desire to "prove" the trinity and an ignorance of Hebrew. The following are small snippets from a rather lengthy explanation of why the claim is false:
    It would be difficult to imagine a doctrine more hostile to the uncompromising monotheism preached in the Jewish Scriptures than the Christian claim that there is a plurality within the divine nature of God. Yet, armed with little knowledge of the Hebrew language, many Trinitarians brazenly argue that the name of God, as it appears in the first verse in the Bible, “proves” there are three distinct Persons in the godhead...

    The word Elohim possesses a plural intensive syntax and is singular in meaning. In Hebrew, the suffix ים (im), mainly indicates a masculine plural. However with Elohim the construction is grammatically singular, (i.e. it governs a singular verb or adjective) when referring to the God of Israel, but grammatically plural elohim (i.e. taking a plural verb or adjective) when used of pagan divinities (Psalms 96:5; 97:7).

    This is self-evident from the fact that the verb “created” בָּרָה (bara) in Genesis 1:1 is in the singular. This linguistic pattern is well known and widely used throughout the Jewish Scriptures. For example, I am certain that many readers are familiar with the Hebrew word חַיִים (chayim), meaning “life.” Notice that this word contains the identical plural suffix “im,” as inElohim, yet it repeatedly means “life”, in the singular, throughout the Bible...

    https://outreachjudaism.org/elohim-plural/
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    @thinkofone said
    Evidently such a claim is due to a desire to "prove" the trinity and an ignorance of Hebrew. The following are small snippets from a rather lengthy explanation of why the claim is false:
    It would be difficult to imagine a doctrine more hostile to the uncompromising monotheism preached in the Jewish Scriptures than the Christian claim that there is a plurality withi ...[text shortened]... ”, in the singular, throughout the Bible...

    https://outreachjudaism.org/elohim-plural/
    Actually your quote supports my claim, for the Triune God is one God in three offices. One God (singular verb), yet Hebrew plural masculine name.

    The same is with chayim, one speaks of all life (plural) and yet one uses singular verb with it. As in "All life is..." This grammar example is not rare, nor nonsensical.
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    @ThinkOfOne

    The word Elohim possesses a plural intensive syntax and is singular in meaning.


    And some scholars who DO read and translate ancient Hebrew
    say that the Triune God was being indicated is logical.
    Any attempt to say all such readers only do so because they know no Hebrew will fail as an effective argument.

    I am awaiting a reply from JewsForJesus on ELohim and Genesis 1:26,27.
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