Originally posted by twhitehead
So when you said "the 'common morality' exhibited today" you were really talking about predominantly Christian nations? Or possibly predominantly Muslim nations to? So maybe about 2/3 rds of the world?

[b]I don't see why I should verify my view of the world to you or anyone else.
And nobody has said you should. Its really up to you.

I live a can correctly be called a atheist philosophy, it is still unrelated to my morality.

[/b]You know what, I think we disagree less than maybe each of us, or a casual observer may perceive. I honestly liked this post from you and I enjoy logic and I'm enthralled by science. But your final comment here is a little truculent, it's a rather 'arm folding' close, considering we are debating several different angles in this this thread and I know that you know that morality is one topic and philosophy (in all it's varied expressions) is another.

Originally posted by divegeester
I am reading what you are writing here, (although I am certainly not as well read in 'secular ethic' theory as you are - however you should not assume that that means I will defer to your opine views which are dependent upon it. I am interested in your pov; however my theistic pov informs me that God determines (if you like) the molecular components of ...[text shortened]... ck of belief in my God does not dilute my pov, but I accept your right to hold it of course.

Do you have any actual argument for your claim that morality can only originate from God?

If you're not well read in the field of secular ethics, then why presume to declaim on it? Do you just not understand that when you make such a claim as the above, you are basically writing off the whole field of secular ethics? How do you presume to justify this when you admittedly aren't too familiar with the field in the first place?

Also, since you claim that God determines moral status, how exactly do you deal with the Euthyphro dilemma? Can you describe how you release the tension?

Originally posted by LemonJello
Do you have any actual argument for your claim that morality can only originate from God?

If you're not well read in the field of secular ethics, then why presume to declaim on it? Do you just not understand that when you make such a claim as the above, you are basically writing off the whole field of secular ethics? How do you presume to justify t exactly do you deal with the Euthyphro dilemma? Can you describe how you release the tension?

So you are a little 'educated' is that it?. Do you feel that because you can throw a few studies/theories around which most people may not have heard of (you've used that one twice already and I'm still not impressed btw) that you know most people won't know about, that that makes you the authority on a particular subject? So far you have contributed nothing to this topic, you just roll up here at rhp (every few weeks or so) and flex your academic muscles and think everyone is impressed. You need to try a little harder because I'm not interested in whatever books it is you have read, no more than you are interested the book I have read.

Originally posted by divegeester
.... Atheism IS a philosophy and a growing religion of sorts in it's own right. ...

So you are saying atheism is a philosophy?

Originally posted by divegeester
No I didn't say anyone shared anything.

In resonse to
Originally posted by wolfgang59
... yet you say they share a philosohy?

Originally posted by divegeester
So you are a little 'educated' is that it?. Do you feel that because you can throw a few studies/theories around which most people may not have heard of (you've used that one twice already and I'm still not impressed btw) that you know most people won't know about, that that makes you the authority on a particular subject? So far you have contributed n whatever books it is you have read, no more than you are interested the book I have read.

So, you have no actual arguments to back up your claims, then?

My point is that if you're going declaim on a field; if you're going to write off a whole entire field of study; you ought to have at least some prior knowledge of, and familiarity with, that field. That's just common sense.

Originally posted by LemonJello
So, you have no actual arguments to back up your claims, then?

My point is that if you're going declaim on a field; if you're going to write off a whole entire field of study; you ought to have some at least some prior knowledge of, and familiarity with, that field. That's just common sense.

Stop trying to drag me into your world, I don't care about your experience with academia and what it may or may not say. Whatever you have to say will be based on your readings of it right? What experience of the subject have you had that you can relate to this forum? What this topic is about is not a "field", that is an academic phrase, it is about the reality of we experience as a human race and my experience and reading of the Bible is worth far more to me than your ability to study someone else's ideas and spout them here as your own.

Originally posted by divegeester
There are several atheists who have stated in this forum that their purpose in being here is to contend with theists and hopefully turn them to atheists. How would you classify this mind-set and behavior?

procrastinating and having porn blocked at work

Originally posted by wolfgang59
So you are saying atheism is a philosophy?

For some and in some exponents, yes.

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
procrastinating and having porn blocked at work

Point?

Originally posted by divegeester
Point?

what? you want me to spell it out for you? you can't define a system by what it is not. i am not defining uranium as "not cookies"

Originally posted by divegeester
Stop trying to drag me into your world, I don't care about your experience with academia and what it may or may not say. Whatever you have to say will be based on your readings of it right? What experience of the subject have you had that you can relate to this forum? What this topic is about is not a "field", that is an academic phrase, it is about th ...[text shortened]... more to me than your ability to study someone else's ideas and spout them here as your own.

So no actual arguments to back up any of your claims here, is that right?

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
what? you want me to spell it out for you? you can't define a system by what it is not. i am not defining uranium as "not cookies"

I don't know what you are talking about; I don't care either.

Originally posted by LemonJello
So no actual arguments to back up any of your claims here, is that right?

Plenty of arguments as already stated (like it or not), not too many 'studies' by other people to lean on though...sorry.

Originally posted by divegeester
Plenty of arguments as already stated (like it or not), not too many 'studies' by other people to lean on though...sorry.

I must have missed your actual argument for the idea that morality can only originate from God. On which page can I find that?