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Spirituality

  1. 10 Mar '05 19:24
    For the liberal Christians:

    "If you believe what you like in the gospels, and reject what you don't like, it is not the gospel you believe, but yourself."

    Saint Augustine
  2. 10 Mar '05 19:27
    For "conservative" Christians:

    "If you believe what you like in the gospels, and reject what you don't like, it is not the gospel you believe, but yourself."

    Saint Augustine

  3. Standard member DoctorScribbles
    BWA Soldier
    10 Mar '05 19:55
    Originally posted by ivanhoe
    For the liberal Christians:

    "If you believe what you like in the gospels, and reject what you don't like, it is not the gospel you believe, but yourself."

    Saint Augustine
    Do you believe what you like and reject what you like from the Catholic Catechism?

    Or do you believe it or reject it in its entirety?
  4. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    10 Mar '05 20:28
    Originally posted by ivanhoe
    For the liberal Christians:

    "If you believe what you like in the gospels, and reject what you don't like, it is not the gospel you believe, but yourself."

    Saint Augustine
    When St. Augustine referred to the "gospels" was he referring to those books of the New Testament with the teachings of Jesus or was he referring to the entire Bible including the murderous passages in the Old Testament?
  5. Standard member Phlabibit
    Mystic Meg
    10 Mar '05 20:57
    Originally posted by sasquatch672
    What I have to say is this: there is no doubt in my mind that God exists. There is also no doubt that the church - any church - is a creation of man and therefore wildly imperfect. Find God in your own way. Or don't.
    Here here!

    P
  6. 10 Mar '05 22:50
    Believe in slavery

    Titus 2:9-10
    Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, and not to steal from them
  7. Subscriber BigDoggProblem
    The Advanced Mind
    11 Mar '05 00:13
    Originally posted by Jay Peatea
    Believe in slavery

    Titus 2:9-10
    Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, and not to steal from them
    Find me a christian and I'll find you a part of the bible that he's (or she's) ignoring because it's too inconvenient to follow.
  8. 11 Mar '05 00:20
    Originally posted by BigDoggProblem
    Find me a christian and I'll find you a part of the bible that he's (or she's) ignoring because it's too inconvenient to follow.
    Find me a Christian who doesn't think the Bible is inerrant, literal truth and I'll find you another Christian who will tell her she's ignoring those parts just because they're too inconvenient to follow, without regard to whether it makes any sense to follow them or not. (Same for other religions, too.)
  9. Standard member Darfius
    The Apologist
    11 Mar '05 00:54
    Originally posted by Jay Peatea
    Believe in slavery

    Titus 2:9-10
    Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, and not to steal from them
    Where exactly does it tell us to go out and get a slave?

    I can take anything out of context and make it appear evil. Including the letter your mom wrote you for your birthday.

  10. 11 Mar '05 01:22
    Originally posted by Darfius
    Where exactly does it tell us to go out and get a slave?

    I can take anything out of context and make it appear evil. Including the letter your mom wrote you for your birthday.

    It doesn't, but it does imply that slavery is sanctioned, otherwise text like this wouldn't be in it.
  11. Standard member Darfius
    The Apologist
    11 Mar '05 01:29
    Originally posted by Jay Peatea
    It doesn't, but it does imply that slavery is sanctioned, otherwise text like this wouldn't be in it.
    Paul was specifically addressing slaves who were under atheist masters. He told them this to set a Christian example for other slaves and for their master. Did Jesus come to set men free from the oppression of men or from the oppresion of sins? Don't make the same mistake the Jews made. Even with 2000 years of warnings, they were looking for a warrior king rather than a King to free them from their sins and give them the gift of eternal life.
  12. Subscriber BigDoggProblem
    The Advanced Mind
    11 Mar '05 01:43
    Originally posted by Darfius
    Paul was specifically addressing slaves who were under atheist masters.
    I don't see any reference to atheism in these verses.
  13. Standard member Darfius
    The Apologist
    11 Mar '05 01:45
    Originally posted by BigDoggProblem
    I don't see any reference to atheism in these verses.
    My apologies. I should have said non-Christian.
  14. Subscriber BigDoggProblem
    The Advanced Mind
    11 Mar '05 01:45 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Darfius
    Where exactly does it tell us to go out and get a slave?
    That point is irrelevant. The verse says a slave should please his master in everything. Do you think a slave should try to escape from his master? Was the 'civil rights' movement wrong?
  15. Standard member Darfius
    The Apologist
    11 Mar '05 02:45
    Originally posted by BigDoggProblem
    That point is irrelevant. The verse says a slave should please his master in everything. Do you think a slave should try to escape from his master? Was the 'civil rights' movement wrong?
    I think a slave who was a slave because of racism and was horribly treated should have tried to escape, yes. You have to read these letters in light of the situation of the day. Slaves of war were common. And if it was a Christian master, he would either treat his slaves as family, or not have any soon enough. If a non-Christian master, the Christian slave would set an admirable example for both his master and other slaves to come to Christ.

    THAT is the goal. Not anything on this earth. But after it.