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    29 Jun '07 01:42
    "God helps them that helps themselves".

    Do you think it's true, or what?
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    29 Jun '07 01:50
    Originally posted by josephw
    "God helps them that helps themselves".

    Do you think it's true, or what?
    Does this have anything to do with you getting "religion" in the psychotherapy thread?
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    29 Jun '07 01:58
    Originally posted by josephw
    "God helps them that helps themselves".

    Do you think it's true, or what?
    Not true. God helps them that trust Him. To help yourself is to rely on self.
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    29 Jun '07 02:16
    Originally posted by josephw
    "God helps them that helps themselves".

    Do you think it's true, or what?
    what makes you think god helps at all?
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    29 Jun '07 02:19
    Originally posted by checkbaiter
    Not true. God helps them that trust Him. To help yourself is to rely on self.
    So you don't think people should do the footwork?
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    29 Jun '07 02:24
    Originally posted by kirksey957
    Does this have anything to do with you getting "religion" in the psychotherapy thread?
    No, it was something blakbuzzrd said in the thread 'footprints in the sand'.
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    29 Jun '07 02:25
    Originally posted by checkbaiter
    Not true. God helps them that trust Him. To help yourself is to rely on self.
    That's close to what I had in mind.
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    29 Jun '07 02:26
    Originally posted by EcstremeVenom
    what makes you think god helps at all?
    What makes you think he doesn't?
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    29 Jun '07 02:28
    Originally posted by pawnhandler
    So you don't think people should do the footwork?
    What do you mean? What did I say to make you think that?
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    29 Jun '07 02:36
    Originally posted by josephw
    What do you mean? What did I say to make you think that?
    A different poster said "To help yourself is to rely on self." But to help yourself is to do the footwork. If you want a wife or a job or groceries, you can't sit in your livingroom and expect them to appear by the grace of God. You have to do the footwork. You have to help yourself. You have to meet actual women, look for a job, earn money and go to the store for the groceries. You have to do your part. That's what that saying means. Even if you believe that God is calling you to a certain job or ministry, you have to prepare yourself by getting the education or training that goes with it, making the effort to find a position in that field, etc. God will help you, but only if you do your part -- only if you help yourself.
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    29 Jun '07 02:36
    Originally posted by josephw
    What makes you think he doesn't?
    i cant tell if he does or not, he could be helping me all along subtly so that i dont even notice
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    29 Jun '07 02:46
    Originally posted by EcstremeVenom
    i cant tell if he does or not, he could be helping me all along subtly so that i dont even notice
    Shhhhh. That'd be part of your lived experience. Don't tell him!
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    29 Jun '07 02:50
    Originally posted by EcstremeVenom
    i cant tell if he does or not, he could be helping me all along subtly so that i dont even notice
    There's a verse in the bible somewhere that say something like this, "God makes the rain to fall and the sun to shine on believers and unbelievers alike".
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    29 Jun '07 02:54
    Originally posted by pawnhandler
    A different poster said "To help yourself is to rely on self." But to help yourself is to do the footwork. If you want a wife or a job or groceries, you can't sit in your livingroom and expect them to appear by the grace of God. You have to do the footwork. You have to help yourself. You have to meet actual women, look for a job, earn money and go t ...[text shortened]... t field, etc. God will help you, but only if you do your part -- only if you help yourself.
    Of course. Remember Jesus was talking about how the birds don't gather stores into warehouses, but God provides? Well, the birds have to go out and get their food! God doesn't bring it to them!
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    29 Jun '07 02:58
    Originally posted by josephw
    "God helps them that helps themselves".

    Do you think it's true, or what?
    Ok. I always thought that this saying was somehow true, but I learned to think a little differently about it.

    I think it is more accurate to say, "God helps the helpless".
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