@vivify saidOkay, you.
A major theme of religion is the ability to forgive wrongs committed against us.
Can anyone, if they don't mind, share a time they told someone "I forgive you", for a particularly egregious act done toward them?
Where is your story, or you saying that you have a story but would rather not share it?
@ FMF
Yes eventually of a sort. We eneded up going on holiday with hewr and her husband (parent got divorced etc) and it was her death from secondary cancer in the lungs that propelled my towards taking exams and moving into the health sector, but I never felt anyrthing for her, other than pity on the last day that I spoke to her, when it was clear that she was going to die.
@medullah saidThat's a tough story with a bit of a silver lining if it nudged you in a certain life direction.
@ FMF
Yes eventually of a sort. We eneded up going on holiday with hewr and her husband (parent got divorced etc) and it was her death from secondary cancer in the lungs that propelled my towards taking exams and moving into the health sector, but I never felt anyrthing for her, other than pity on the last day that I spoke to her, when it was clear that she was going to die.
So she sought or sensed your forgiveness, presumably.
The Christian notion of divine forgiveness is that it is something withheld if there is no repentance [and "faith, whatever that word might actually mean when one is looking for proof in the pudding].
Does proper and practical human forgiveness rely on there being repentance?
Is forgiving merely forgetting if there is no remorse on the part of the person who might need to be forgiven?
@fmf saidOn the subject of forgiveness Jesus did say that you should be continually be forgiving your brother (and sister). However gross sins are a bit different (e.g. adultery and murder).
That's a tough story with a bit of a silver lining if it nudged you in a certain life direction.
So she sought or sensed your forgiveness, presumably.
The Christian notion of divine forgiveness is that it is something withheld if there is no repentance [and "faith, whatever that word might actually mean when one is looking for proof in the pudding].
Does proper and pract ...[text shortened]... ng merely forgetting if there is no remorse on the part of the person who might need to be forgiven?
So if I'm misreading the question sorry, but did I hold a grudge? no, I engaged as I would anyone else and she had access to the children (which did make me nervous to start with but she was a model grandmother).
Forgiving is about forgetting, but there must be remorse/repentance. So her behaviors change but the thing that I found incredible as that not once did she tell me that she was "sorry" or regretting the the way that she had treated me.
@fmf saidI've just gone back to read your account FMF, nice account, glad that you two patched it up. Are you still in contact?
It wasn't quite as straightforward as "I forgive you" because it was a whole lot of "I've now come to understand what really happened" as well.
I had a falling out with a friend ~ who was my employer and visa sponsor at the time ~ that affected me in terms of which country I subsequently lived in and how much of my savings had been essentially squandered with little to show f ...[text shortened]... th a wordless nod.
And the fact that we were intimate friends, irrevocably so, came to the fore.
@medullah saidNo that's not what I meant, really, but I think you kind of indicated what the dynamic was. What I meant, more, was whether she thought your part in the conflict did or didn't warrant her forgiving you.
So if I'm misreading the question sorry, but did I hold a grudge?
@medullah saidOh yes. Meanwhile, there've been plenty of things in life where I haven't forgiven people but, for whatever reason, it didn't matter; such things are forgotten and are nothing more than anecdotes.
I've just gone back to read your account FMF, nice account, glad that you two patched it up. Are you still in contact?
I told the story about the friend because I think it illustrates how forgiveness can be important because, without it, something important might be lost.
@FMF
I think that if you have had your child removed from your custody be the authorities for violence, then if you don't feel that you need to apologise then there is some part of humanity missing from you?
All water under the bridge now.
Glad is all good with your friend.
@medullah saidI understand exactly the gritty story you have shared and there is no reason for me to make any comment about the humanity of the person from whose custody you were removed.
@FMF
I think that if you have had your child removed from your custody be the authorities for violence, then if you don't feel that you need to apologise then there is some part of humanity missing from you?
I might have had a comment to offer if you'd been bending my ear back when it happened, but, as you say, the water flowing under the bridge has transported you to a different place now.
@vivify saidYeah. Stealing my puppy. I forgave the guy after a while
A major theme of religion is the ability to forgive wrongs committed against us.
Can anyone, if they don't mind, share a time they told someone "I forgive you", for a particularly egregious act done toward them?