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-Removed-It may not be scary. But to attempt to explain with out limited minds and the shortage of human language is kind of awesome.
We Christians speak about it not because we can fully explain God, but in order not to remain completely silent.
Augustine (A.D. 354-430) put it well - (my bolding)
Certainly they are three, and so it is said plurally, "I and my Father are one." for He has not said, "is one," as the Sabellians say, but, "are one," yet, when the question is asked, what three? human language labors altogether under great poverty of speech. The answer, however, is given three "Persons," not that it might be completely spoken, but that it might not be left wholly unspoken.
[ On The Trinity, Augustine, 1rst Series, Vol III. p.92 - copied from "The Testimony of Church History Regarding the Mystery of the Triune God" by Bill Freemoan, Stream Publishers. ]
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Originally posted by checkbaiterWe both want to enter the narrow gate and walk the constricted way.
But he says Jesus [b]is God...There are so many versions of the Trinity, I can't keep up.[/b]
I cannot do it unless I worship Jesus as my Lord and my God. It is not good enough that He left a good example. I cannot imitate Him like a poodle walking on its hind legs like a man. I must have the Christ of the New Testament - IN ME as God, to be my life.
Gifts is not life.
Power alone is not life.
Enthusiasm is not life.
Knowledge is not life.
Jesus Christ the Person indwelling me, the dispensed living One, He is life.
He is "the Prince of Life".
if you have a better way to enter the narrow gate and walk the constricted way, you take it. I cannot do so without confessing Jesus as my Lord and my God and my very life.
Originally posted by sonshipDid you think I disagree? I don't, but I worship God and Jesus.
We both want to enter the narrow gate and walk the constricted way.
I cannot do it unless I worship Jesus as my Lord and my God. It is not good enough that He left a good example. I cannot imitate Him like a poodle walking on its hind legs like a man. I must have the Christ of the New Testament - IN ME as God, to be my life.
Gifts is not lif ...[text shortened]... ake it. I cannot do so without confessing Jesus as my Lord and my God and my very life.
Before you say it, no they are not the same, nor am I worshipping two Gods.
I worship God and He has set before me His highly exalted Son.
He tells me to listen to His Son, to embrace him and be in union with him.
I am doing what God commands.
I think one of the Psalms or Proverbs says "kiss the Son" lest....
This tells me to worship God through Jesus Christ.
Originally posted by checkbaiterIt's rather easy if you believe the Bible.
Pretending what? That I can't keep up? I don't know all the variations of Trinity beliefs.
Some say Jesus and God are one, some say they are co-equal, some say all three are equal but are one and the same, some say all three are separate, and on and on.
(Deuteronomy 6:4, 5) “Listen, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah. 5 You must love Jehovah your God with all your heart and all your soul and all your strength.
(Psalm 83:18) May people know that you, whose name is Jehovah, You alone are the Most High over all the earth.
(Isaiah 43:10, 11) “You are my witnesses,” declares Jehovah, “Yes, my servant whom I have chosen, So that you may know and have faith in me And understand that I am the same One. Before me no God was formed, And after me there has been none. 11 I—I am Jehovah, and besides me there is no savior.”
Neither the word trinity nor the idea of a three in one God are i the Bible.
These things are invented by man.
Originally posted by roigamThat last verse is suspect. Isaiah 43:11. What does that mean....no other savior? If Jesus is supposed to be savior?
It's rather easy if you believe the Bible.
(Deuteronomy 6:4, 5) “Listen, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah. 5 You must love Jehovah your God with all your heart and all your soul and all your strength.
(Psalm 83:18) May people know that you, whose name is Jehovah, You alone are the Most High over all the earth.
(Isaiah 43:10, 11) “You are my w ...[text shortened]... d trinity nor the idea of a three in one God are i the Bible.
These things are invented by man.
Originally posted by roigamThat is not what I am talking about, thank you.
It's rather easy if you believe the Bible.
(Deuteronomy 6:4, 5) “Listen, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah. 5 You must love Jehovah your God with all your heart and all your soul and all your strength.
(Psalm 83:18) May people know that you, whose name is Jehovah, You alone are the Most High over all the earth.
(Isaiah 43:10, 11) “You are my w ...[text shortened]... d trinity nor the idea of a three in one God are i the Bible.
These things are invented by man.
I already know all of this.
I am talking about the different definitions of the Trinity.
By the way, Jehovah is just one name for Yahway.