Originally posted by checkbaiterYou don't believe the scripture that says Jesus laid down His life and picked it up again?
And a Trinitarian can say he believes in God, but can follow an "image" not founded on the scriptures. That is, an "accurate" rendering of the scriptures.
I learned a long time ago, that if one god dies and another god raises him up, that makes 2 gods in the story.
1+1=2 but to some 1+1=1. Or should I say 3?
John 10: 17-18 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
Originally posted by KellyJayIf this is what you think it means, then he wasn't really dead.
You don't believe the scripture that says Jesus laid down His life and picked it up again?
John 10: 17-18 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
If he can raise himself from the dead, then he was in no way made like his brothers and was never really human.
Romans 10 says God raised him.
Originally posted by checkbaiterNot really dead, how do you come to that from what the scriptures says?
If this is what you think it means, then he wasn't really dead.
If he can raise himself from the dead, then he was in no way made like his brothers and was never really human.
Romans 10 says God raised him.
I get that Romans says that God raised Him, which is sort of the point!
Originally posted by KellyJayOf course I believe God raised him from the dead, but you seemed to imply that he raised himself from the dead.
Not really dead, how do you come to that from what the scriptures says?
I get that Romans says that God raised Him, which is sort of the point!
So now, I'm not sure what your point is/was.
Originally posted by checkbaiterKJ is a schizophrenic. He is like two people you talking to with opposite opinions, and he is the most frustrating person to discuss anything with.. he turns on a dime and says the opposite all the time.
Of course I believe God raised him from the dead, but you seemed to imply that he raised himself from the dead.
So now, I'm not sure what your point is/was.
He clearly quoted where Jesus said raised himself from the dead, asking you if you dont believe Jesus. Now he acts like its obvious that God raised him from the dead ... thats kinda the point 😀
Originally posted by checkbaiterJohn 10: 17-18 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
Of course I believe God raised him from the dead, but you seemed to imply that he raised himself from the dead.
So now, I'm not sure what your point is/was.
Imply...what does the scripture say?
Originally posted by KellyJayWhat it says is not what you think, because it would contradict Romans where it said God raised him from the dead.
John 10: 17-18 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
Imply...what does the scripture say?
And if you look at my first reply carefully, you might get it.
Jesus knew God would raise him up if he remained sinless, so it was in his hands. It helps understand what he meant.
Originally posted by checkbaiterAs a matter of interest, what about the other way round? Does John 10:17-18 contradict Romans (where you say it says God raised him from the dead)? Is there any particular reason why Romans takes precedence over John on this matter in your mind?
What it says is not what you think, because it would contradict Romans where it said God raised him from the dead.
Originally posted by FMFHere are just a few verses if you think it is only Romans. There are many more than what I am submitting here. Now you decide which is correct....
As a matter of interest, what about the other way round? Does John 10:17-18 contradict Romans (where you say it says God raised him from the dead)? Is there any particular reason why Romans takes precedence over John on this matter in your mind?
Acts 2:22-25
"Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a Man attested by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through Him in your midst, as you yourselves also know — 23 Him, being delivered by the determined purpose and foreknowledge of God, you have taken by lawless hands, have crucified, and put to death; 24 whom God raised up, having loosed the pains of death, because it was not possible that He should be held by it.
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Acts 2:32-33
This Jesus God has raised up, of which we are all witnesses.
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Acts 3:14-16
But you denied the Holy One and the Just, and asked for a murderer to be granted to you, 15 and killed the Prince of life, whom God raised from the dead, of which we are witnesses.
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Acts 4:10
Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead,
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Acts 5:30-31
The God of our fathers raised up Jesus whom you murdered by hanging on a tree.
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Acts 10:39-41
whom they killed by hanging on a tree. 40 Him God raised up on the third day, and showed Him openly,
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Originally posted by checkbaiterIf, then, John 10:17-18 is an error, why wasn't it removed at some point before the Councils of Carthage?
Here are just a few verses if you think it is only Romans. There are many more than what I am submitting here. Now you decide which is correct....
[b]Acts 2:22-25
"Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a Man attested by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs which God did through Him in your midst, as you yourselves also know — 23 H ...[text shortened]... by hanging on a tree. 40 Him God raised up on the third day, and showed Him openly,
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Originally posted by checkbaiterIt says what is written, and you dismissing Jesus is God is the only thing it contradicts.
What it says is not what you think, because it would contradict Romans where it said God raised him from the dead.
And if you look at my first reply carefully, you might get it.
Jesus knew God would raise him up if he remained sinless, so it was in his hands. It helps understand what he meant.