Originally posted by @dj2becker If the OP got you to honestly evaluate your own beliefs and the hope that they bring you then I guess it achieved something.
Do you now understand why your OP comes across as a naive and clumsy attempt at discourse?
Originally posted by @fmf You go first with your answer to my question about repercussions you think there would be from people answering your OP in the way you want. And then I will answer your echo of that question which you directed back at me in lieu of an answer to mine.
For you the repercussion might hopefully be that you honestly evaluate your own beliefs and see for yourself that faith in God offers you more hope than faith in nothing. For me it may reconfirm my own beliefs.
Originally posted by @dj2becker Sure, for the arrogant and dishonest, possibly.
Do you still hold to your claim that the numerous thumbs down for your OP indicates that people are pissed off by the fact that their worldviews don't offer them any kind of hope, or do you perhaps accept that numerous people just found your OP a rather naive and disingenuous attempt by you to preen in public [passed off as you "reconfirming [your] own beliefs"]?
Originally posted by @dj2becker If my evidence for the existence of God is not deemed - by you - to be be credible, what do you think are the repercussions for [1] you, and [2] me?
For all practical intents and purposes there are [1] none, and [2] none.
I am more interested in the impact your superstitious beliefs have on your intellectual honesty and your interpersonal skills.
Originally posted by @fmf Do you still hold to your claim that the numerous thumbs down for your OP indicates that people are pissed off by the fact that their worldviews don't offer them any kind of hope, or do you perhaps accept that numerous people just found your OP a rather naive and disingenuous attempt by you to preen in public [passed off as you "reconfirming [your] own beliefs"]?
Sure there may be many other possibilities but being pissed off about having no hope could be one.
FMF: Do you now understand why your OP comes across as a naive and clumsy attempt at discourse?
Originally posted by @dj2becker Sure, for the arrogant and dishonest, possibly.
So the negative reaction you have received for this OP, in your mind, stands in contrast to your humility and honesty? You really did not understand the reaction you got?
Originally posted by @dj2becker And I am quite interested in the all hope that is found in atheism and other world views that people can’t seem to talk about.
And when - in order to cater to this supposed interest of yours - will you start engaging in discourse with non-believers in a genuine way rather than just trying to troll them as seems to be your schtick here?
Originally posted by @fmf So the negative reaction you have received for this OP, in your mind, stands in contrast to your humility and honesty? You really did not understand the reaction you got?
No read what I say for a change rather than putting words in my mouth.
Originally posted by @fmf And when - in order to cater to this supposed interest of yours - will you start engaging in discourse with non-believers in a genuine way rather than just trying to troll them as seems to be your schtick here?
How would my discourse have to be different for it to be genuine in your opinion?
Originally posted by @fmf What "other possibilities" for the negative reaction do you envisage?
Some people could have thumbed it down because they think their atheism gives them more hope than Christianity but they won’t bother to reply and say so.
Originally posted by @dj2becker Some people could have thumbed it down because they think their atheism gives them more hope than Christianity but they won’t bother to reply and say so.
I thumbed it down because it is a poor way to come to belief. ("Poor" is being generous. I don't think people are capable of simply deciding what to believe.)
Propositions are true if they match reality. "Hope" has zero bearing on it.
Also, say there are two people: A and B. Both are sincere in their beliefs, but those beliefs are not compatible. A's offers him more personal hope, but B's is better in line with reality.
In that case, A might thump his chest at B, pointing out (accurately) that his beliefs give him more hope than B's give her...but A fails to see that this has come at a price: A is more deluded than B, and thus, shouldn't be bragging.
03 Jan '18 08:58
What other hope is there?
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