Originally posted by SuzianneWhat do you believe? - Revision 1.3
I thought so, but your post just sounded vaguely Catholic to me.
Maybe it's just me.
1) Something? 2) Nothing. 3) Unsure. 4) Nobody else's biz. 5) None of the above. 6) All of the above. 7) Please repeat the question. 8) Seems I forgot. 9) Everything. 10) Those things I can see, touch, taste, smell. 11) Only things I can measure, weigh and test in the lab. 12) Facts with narrow parameters. 13) I'm still thinking. 14) Sermons in the general forum Thread 143629. 15) The Apostles' Creed. 16) Some of the stuff I don't reject. 17) Nobody else's biz or entertainment.
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Originally posted by Grampy Bobby7
What do you believe? - Revision 1.3
1) Something? 2) Nothing. 3) Unsure. 4) Nobody else's biz. 5) None of the above. 6) All of the above. 7) Please repeat the question. 8) Seems I forgot. 9) Everything. 10) Those things I can see, touch, taste, smell. 11) Only things I can measure, weigh and test in the lab. 12) Facts with narrow parameters. 13) I d. 16) Some of the stuff I don't reject. 17) Nobody else's biz or entertainment.
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Originally posted by googlefudgeno mass of semantics involved. going by merriam-webster's definition of beliefs, i hold none.
I don't think this is possible, but last time I tried to discuss this it ended in a mess of semantics.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/beliefs
1: a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing
2: something believed; especially : a tenet or body of tenets held by a group
3: conviction of the truth of some statement or the reality of some being or phenomenon especially when based on examination of evidence
to function in society, i use a private scale of acceptability for experienced phenomenon.
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Originally posted by VoidSpiritThe scope and meaning of the word belief was one of the points we disagreed on.
no mass of semantics involved. going by merriam-webster's definition of beliefs, i hold none.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/beliefs
[quote]
1: a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing
2: something believed; especially : a tenet or body of tenets held by a group
3: conviction of the truth ...[text shortened]... ]
to function in society, i use a private scale of acceptability for experienced phenomenon.
One point I would add is that all cogent definitions of knowledge require belief.
So do you claim to know nothing also?
If you do then we lack a common reference to discuss the issue.
Originally posted by googlefudgehere we can get into semantic difficulties because you've introduced a new word, knowledge and falsely associated it with belief.
The scope and meaning of the word belief was one of the points we disagreed on.
One point I would add is that all cogent definitions of knowledge require belief.
So do you claim to know nothing also?
If you do then we lack a common reference to discuss the issue.
nothing associated with knowledge requires belief, rather the opposite: knowledge requires skepticism. beliefs are a deterrent to the advancement of knowledge.
Originally posted by VoidSpiritWith all due respect, you sir, are a liar.
no mass of semantics involved. going by merriam-webster's definition of beliefs, i hold none.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/beliefs
[quote]
1: a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing
2: something believed; especially : a tenet or body of tenets held by a group
3: conviction of the truth ...[text shortened]... ]
to function in society, i use a private scale of acceptability for experienced phenomenon.
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Originally posted by VoidSpirithttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Classical-Definition-of-Kno.svg
here we can get into semantic difficulties because you've introduced a new word, knowledge and falsely associated it with belief.
nothing associated with knowledge requires belief, rather the opposite: knowledge requires skepticism. beliefs are a deterrent to the advancement of knowledge.
There is information.
There is information that is true.
There is information that you hold.
There is information that you hold, and believe to be true. ----> This is what you think you know.
There is information that you hold, and believe to be true, and is true. ----> This is Knowledge.
If you hold information, and that information is true, but you don't think (believe) it to be true,
then you don't know that thing.
To know something you have to believe that it is true.
All definitions of knowledge in epistemology require this.
If you are using some different usages of knowledge and belief then we are talking a different
language at each other.
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Originally posted by SuzianneWell, we Anglicans were always bigger on the Nicene Creed; the Apostle's Creed being part of the baptismal service, if I recall my Book of Common Prayer rightly. 🙂
Good grief.
Good show.
And I call myself Anglican.
/facepalm
Look, I worked all night and hadn't slept yet. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
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Originally posted by VoidSpiritSo you do not have a conviction of the truth of the statement 2+2=4?
no mass of semantics involved. going by merriam-webster's definition of beliefs, i hold none.
3: conviction of the truth of some statement or the reality of some being or phenomenon especially when based on examination of evidence