Originally posted by twhiteheadi hold no such convictions. proving that 2+2=4 requires many layers of proof, many of which require assumptions, and an arbitrary numbering system, we bear down to some axioms that seem to hold true based on our current level of understanding.
So you do not have a conviction of the truth of the statement 2+2=4?
Originally posted by googlefudgei have no belief in the validity, accuracy or truth of that chart.
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There is information.
There is information that is true.
There is information that you hold.
There is information that you hold, and believe to be true. ----> This is what you think you know.
There is information that you hold, and believe to be true, and is true. ----> This ...[text shortened]... erent usages of knowledge and belief then we are talking a different
language at each other.
in my accepted definition, knowledge is the sum of human knowledge. it is a snapshot of what we think we know and what appears to be true based on our best observations and reasoning ability.
such knowledge, regardless of its accuracy, exists independent of individual human beliefs or acceptance of the gathered information.
such knowledge, regardless of its accuracy, will have various levels of influence on our thinking and impact future modifications of the knowledge base.
Originally posted by VoidSpiritThumbs Up.
no mass of semantics involved. going by merriam-webster's definition of beliefs, i hold none.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/beliefs
[quote]
1: a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing
2: something believed; especially : a tenet or body of tenets held by a group
3: conviction of the ...[text shortened]... uote]
to function in society, i use a private scale of acceptability for experienced phenomenon.
Originally posted by VoidSpiritWith all due respect. You sir, are the least interesting person possible.
no mass of semantics involved. going by merriam-webster's definition of beliefs, i hold none.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/beliefs
[quote]
1: a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing
2: something believed; especially : a tenet or body of tenets held by a group
3: conviction of the truth ...[text shortened]... ]
to function in society, i use a private scale of acceptability for experienced phenomenon.
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Originally posted by VoidSpiritAnd thus the mess of semantics.
i have no belief in the validity, accuracy or truth of that chart.
in my accepted definition, knowledge is the sum of human knowledge. it is a snapshot of what we think we know and what appears to be true based on our best observations and reasoning ability.
such knowledge, regardless of its accuracy, exists independent of individual human beliefs ...[text shortened]... rious levels of influence on our thinking and impact future modifications of the knowledge base.
You are using words in non-standard ways that do not match with how I use them.
Which makes conversing on the topic near impossible.
Also, defining knowledge by including knowledge in the description... very rigourus, and not at all circular.
Originally posted by JS357Yes and no. For example, we place our faith in loved ones. Is this misplaced? I'm sure we have some evidence's that our faith is not misplaced, but can never know for sure.
Is this the same question as "In what do you have faith?"
Is seems to me that faith involves acting without the usual tests of everyday belief. Everyday belief is "seeing is believing" while faith is believing without, or while not, seeing.
The same can be said of God. We did not invent his story. We did not invent those testimonies that proclaim him. We did not invent his word that contain evidences for him etc. Our faith in him has evidences but one can never be proven to be accurate.
In short, I reject the claim that faith is blind. It is only blind to the degree that you have no proof. To blindly place your faith in something I create, like the flying spagetti monster, would be foolish to say the least.
Originally posted by whodeyThe same can be said of God. We did not invent his story. We did not invent those testimonies that proclaim him. We did not invent his word that contain evidences for him etc.
Yes and no. For example, we place our faith in loved ones. Is this misplaced? I'm sure we have some evidence's that our faith is not misplaced, but can never know for sure.
The same can be said of God. We did not invent his story. We did not invent those testimonies that proclaim him. We did not invent his word that contain evidences for him etc. Ou ...[text shortened]... th in something I create, like the flying spagetti monster, would be foolish to say the least.
Nope. We did.
Originally posted by mikelomI was not trying to impose my beliefs on anyone. I was merely revealing what MY take on the Torah is, as Visted would say. You are free to develop your own or simply ignore it altogether, which is what I suspect your position would be.
[b]The Bible teaches us to have faith in God.
Do you mean us, or yourself? I don't partake in your 'us.
My own take on this is that God has a plan for us and he is all knowing and benevolent and the source of all righteousness. It is only when we agree with his direction or word that we attain such righteousness, otherwirse, we can only hope to ...[text shortened]... d translates into how you live your life and why it is key to destiny.
Agreed.[/b]
Originally posted by Proper KnobThis "we" is a culmination of writings over the centuries. This "we" is a collection of testimony from a wide range of people who all testify to the God of the Bible. Like it or not, such testimony is evidence.
The same 'we' you were referring to.
Of course, the text also contain history, some of which is verifiable. It also contains a myriad of prophesy, some of which can be seen to have come to pass. Like it or not, this is evidence as well.
Then there is what God has done in our own lives. This is additional evidence.
Does such evidence prove anything? Nope, it's just evidence is all.