To those Christians who preach that they are eternally saved, and that not even God can destroy them, when the whole Bible condemns sin and evil. The prevalent church doctrine is that they are saved eternally just by professing their faith and believing in their heart.
Jesus Christ, Paul, Peter, James, John, Jude, the Book of Revelation, all preach the very same doctrine regarding eternal life in the Kingdom of God, ... that only those who live righteously, follow the commandments of Christ, and do good works will enter the Kingdom of God. These who enter are the sheep, the followers who hear His voice. Goats, who do not follow Chrsit and do not hear His voice, will be cast out.
The fact that the person in question is a Christian saint, a born again Christian with the Holy Spirit, makes no difference
To those who preach a different doctrine .. your goose cooked.
19 Mar 18
Originally posted by @rajk999I'll just say, Raj sent me cuz he is all that. 😵
To those Christians who preach that they are eternally saved, and that not even God can destroy them, when the whole Bible condemns sin and evil. The prevalent church doctrine is that they are saved eternally just by professing their faith and believing in their heart.
Jesus Christ, Paul, Peter, James, John, Jude, the Book of Revelation, all preach the v ...[text shortened]... ly Spirit, makes no difference
To those who preach a different doctrine .. your goose cooked.
19 Mar 18
Originally posted by @rajk999Have you not "earned" salvation through good works?
Yep .. he is a piggybacker.. this is the type of Christian who cannot do or think for themselves so the ride on others
I thought you said you had, or is that not right?
I just assumed I can then mention your name and say that Raj sent me, to give me good favor and all with Jesus who apparently died needlessly on a cross.
Originally posted by @rajk999If one is not “saved” forever, then what is one when one thinks one is “saved”? Obviously not “saved” as one can find oneself in a situation of being “unsaved” through some undisclosed level of misdemeanour.
To those Christians who preach that they are eternally saved, and that not even God can destroy them, when the whole Bible condemns sin and evil. The prevalent church doctrine is that they are saved eternally just by professing their faith and believing in their heart.
Jesus Christ, Paul, Peter, James, John, Jude, the Book of Revelation, all preach the v ...[text shortened]... ly Spirit, makes no difference
To those who preach a different doctrine .. your goose cooked.
Presumably however, one could subsequently find oneself “re-saved”? But hold one what if I “misdemeanour” again...then I am “re-unsaved”?
Your position is virtuous my friend, but ultimately spiritually unworkable in terms of the gospel landscapes and descriptions of sonships, birthrights and spiritual regenerations.
19 Mar 18
Originally posted by @divegeesterIm out right now and answering from a phone so I would address your points later.
If one is not “saved” forever, then what is one when one thinks one is “saved”? Obviously not “saved” as one can find oneself in a situation of being “unsaved” through some undisclosed level of misdemeanour.
Presumably however, one could subsequently find oneself “re-saved”? But hold one what if I “misdemeanour” again...then I am “re-unsaved”?
...[text shortened]... of the gospel landscapes and descriptions of sonships, birthrights and spiritual regenerations.
For now how is it that God can remove names already in the book of life?
Originally posted by @divegeesterNo, Raj knows who is in and who is out, so I suggest you get on his good side cuz apparently he is the gate keeper.
If one is not “saved” forever, then what is one when one thinks one is “saved”? Obviously not “saved” as one can find oneself in a situation of being “unsaved” through some undisclosed level of misdemeanour.
Presumably however, one could subsequently find oneself “re-saved”? But hold one what if I “misdemeanour” again...then I am “re-unsaved”?
...[text shortened]... of the gospel landscapes and descriptions of sonships, birthrights and spiritual regenerations.
Big man Raj is a holy man. Show some respect. Who is like him?
19 Mar 18
Originally posted by @divegeesterUnworkable?
If one is not “saved” forever, then what is one when one thinks one is “saved”? Obviously not “saved” as one can find oneself in a situation of being “unsaved” through some undisclosed level of misdemeanour.
Presumably however, one could subsequently find oneself “re-saved”? But hold one what if I “misdemeanour” again...then I am “re-unsaved”?
...[text shortened]... of the gospel landscapes and descriptions of sonships, birthrights and spiritual regenerations.
Nothing is impossible
"I can't " means "I wont"
Originally posted by @rajk999So you don't know if your name is in the book of life?
Im out right now and answering from a phone so I would address your points later.
For now how is it that God can remove names already in the book of life?
You have already said mine is not there, so I assume you are in the know.
Originally posted by @divegeesterThe word 'saved' is misused by many. Here is what Paul said:
If one is not “saved” forever, then what is one when one thinks one is “saved”? Obviously not “saved” as one can find oneself in a situation of being “unsaved” through some undisclosed level of misdemeanour.
Presumably however, one could subsequently find oneself “re-saved”? But hold one what if I “misdemeanour” again...then I am “re-unsaved”?
...[text shortened]... of the gospel landscapes and descriptions of sonships, birthrights and spiritual regenerations.
And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved😉 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: (Ephesians 2:1-8 KJV)
Saved - brought out of a life of sin and fleshly desires which leads to death, and into a new life in Christ.
Saved does not necessarily lead to eternal life in the Kingdom of God.
Later on Paul explained how the saved Christian saints can enter the Kingdom of God. Its not a foregone conclusion that all saved Christians will get eternal life. It depends on how they live, the good ones enter the Kingdom, the evil ones do not.
This can hardly be described unworkable. It is what the bible preaches very clearly.
20 Mar 18
Originally posted by @rajk999So are you “saved” or not?
The word 'saved' is misused by many. Here is what Paul said:
[i]And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: Among whom also we all had our conversation in ...[text shortened]... do not.
This can hardly be described unworkable. It is what the bible preaches very clearly.
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Originally posted by @rajk999<<To those Christians who preach that they are eternally saved, and that not even God can destroy them, when the whole Bible condemns sin and evil. The prevalent church doctrine is that they are saved eternally just by professing their faith and believing in their heart.>>
To those Christians who preach that they are eternally saved, and that not even God can destroy them, when the whole Bible condemns sin and evil. The prevalent church doctrine is that they are saved eternally just by professing their faith and believing in their heart.
Jesus Christ, Paul, Peter, James, John, Jude, the Book of Revelation, all preach the v ...[text shortened]... ly Spirit, makes no difference
To those who preach a different doctrine .. your goose cooked.
You deny Jesus Christ was/is God in the flesh, so it’s no surprise you deny the power of God’s Holy Spirit to change lives.
Because once someone sincerely believes in Jesus Christ and His Resurrection, they receive God’s Holy Spirit indwelling them and the Holy Spirit justifies them, makes them righteous (in right standing with God) and works to turn their lives around.
But you sadly don’t believe any of that because you think you can justify yourself and make yourself righteous (in right standing with God.)
Good luck with that.
Originally posted by @divegeesterIm saved by the death of Christ. yes . I am a Christian and I believe in Christ.
So are you “saved” or not?
I will get eternal life and inherit the promises and enter the Kingdom of God
IF I live righteously and do good works. Jesus will judge me
Now can you address the points in my post?