Originally posted by LemonJello [b]it was a question without a good answer which is what we
run into with the universe.
Well, there are at least two very obvious problems with your stance.
For one, if you really think there are no good answers to the question of the cosmological origins, then you should of course simply withhold judgment on the matter, pending further analy ...[text shortened]... ative or lazy. You've turned your brain off; you've stuck your head in the sand.[/b]
Originally posted by finnegan But I have just pointed out that God does not answer your questions AND DOES NOT CONSIDER YOU ARE ENTITLED TO AN ANSWER so you are talking nonsense. Your inability to make sense of Job is not my problem any more.
The statement "God created the universe" does not tell us a single thing about the origins of the universe. The discovery that classical phys ...[text shortened]... . The only important gap I can see is in what you understand. That is one very big gap indeed.
"Your inability to make sense of Job is not my problem any more."
I have been waiting for you to tell me why I am supposed to have an issue
with Job, you have not given me anything to even think about outside of saying
I have a issue with Job.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJay "Your inability to make sense of Job is not my problem any more."
I have been waiting for you to tell me why I am supposed to have an issue
with Job, you have not given me anything to even think about outside of saying
I have a issue with Job.
Kelly
He clearly said it several times even quoting a verse and you responded to those posts.
Originally posted by twhitehead He clearly said it several times even quoting a verse and you responded to those posts.
I do not recall him saying why there should be an issue with Job for admitting that he was wrong to question God like atheists often do. Maybe you could state that reason more clearly. We have a hard time thinking like atheists, don't you know?
Originally posted by RJHinds I do not recall him saying why there should be an issue with Job for admitting that he was wrong to question God like atheists often do. Maybe you could state that reason more clearly. We have a hard time thinking like atheists, don't you know?
Originally posted by twhitehead He clearly said it several times even quoting a verse and you responded to those posts.
Thank you. Sometimes the circularity gets too much for me. If he "can't remember" why can't he just read back through earlier posts? Perhaps a bit slower.
Originally posted by finnegan Thank you. Sometimes the circularity gets too much for me. If he "can't remember" why can't he just read back through earlier posts? Perhaps a bit slower.
Originally posted by finnegan I was responding to your argument that we have to explain why if we are to understand the cosmos and your complaint that science fails to tell us why. You were arguing that only religion can tell us the answer to that question. I referred to Job as one example of the impossibility - in biblical terms - of ever understanding or explaining why anything. You ...[text shortened]... here is one thing religion fails to do it is to tell us why. So religion fails your own test.
What test does my religion fail? Why, God created the universe? I've not attempted
to talk about why, I've been sticking with the when and how. My major point in
most of the discussions has been if you don't know when or how a thing started
you have no way of knowing what to look at for age markers.
Unlike Job, through Jesus Christ we get the Spirit of God so our insight into the
Holy Spirit of God is much better than what Job had.
Kelly
Originally posted by finnegan But I have just pointed out that God does not answer your questions AND DOES NOT CONSIDER YOU ARE ENTITLED TO AN ANSWER so you are talking nonsense. Your inability to make sense of Job is not my problem any more.
The statement "God created the universe" does not tell us a single thing about the origins of the universe. The discovery that classical phys ...[text shortened]... . The only important gap I can see is in what you understand. That is one very big gap indeed.
Man cannot demand of God; however, where things have changed from Jobs' time
is Jesus Christ who made away for us to share the Spirit of God. Without the
Spirit of God you've only the spirit of man within, which is cool while attempting
to understand the world of man, but not the things of God.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJay Man cannot demand of God; however, where things have changed from Jobs' time
is Jesus Christ who made away for us to share the Spirit of God. Without the
Spirit of God you've only the spirit of man within, which is cool while attempting
to understand the world of man, but not the things of God.
Kelly
And you would know that how? Have you ever had your prayers answered?
A recent study of prayer aimed at the sick shows zero correlation with any positive result. I suppose the religious answer to that was god deliberately did nothing when a scientist was monitoring, eh.
Originally posted by RJHinds I do not recall him saying why there should be an issue with Job for admitting that he was wrong to question God like atheists often do. Maybe you could state that reason more clearly. We have a hard time thinking like atheists, don't you know?
BTW, atheists don't question god, they question the men who insist there is a god. God is out of the equation, since atheists put the concept of a god on a very low level of probability. They also for the most part don't absolutely deny the possibility of a god, just don't think it likely there is one. So it is other men they question not god since other men invented god in the first place.
Originally posted by sonhouse BTW, atheists don't question god, they question the men who insist there is a god. God is out of the equation, since atheists put the concept of a god on a very low level of probability. They also for the most part don't absolutely deny the possibility of a god, just don't think it likely there is one. So it is other men they question not god since other men invented god in the first place.
Just an unsolicited clarification here, I don't absolutely deny the possibility of some little 'g' god but I am probably one of the rare ones that does absolutely deny the possibility of big 'G' "G"od (because it is a silly god! no way to take it seriously).
I deny it as firmly as I deny that all apples are purple (and I don\'t put much stock in the argument that the whole world is in on some big conspiracy to fool me, and that my eyesight has always been lacking at such points when I was looking at an apple - people could make that argument if they so wished but I would throw it out without pause for consideration).
What would you accept as evidence of a creator?
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