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Originally posted by NemesioI think so. You're a smart guy. You appreciate the difference, I'm sure.
I didn't read it the other 50k times, I guess 😉
I'm certain that we are in agreement on this -- at least, I am trying
to say what I think you said. 😀
Nemesio
btw, what does your moniker mean? I tried googleing it, but itjust came back to you.
Originally posted by TheSkipperWhere in the whole of everything I said that you get that evidence
Kelly,
If scientific evidence is so meaningless to you I wonder if you hold the same opinion of evidence presented in criminal cases in a court of law? Heck, DNA evidence is by its very nature scientific. Are you in favor of the death penalty? Would you send someone to their death based on what in your mind amounts to nothing more than what somebody ...[text shortened]... it would lead to a very strange lifestyle. Do you have a very strange lifestyle?
TheSkipper
presented is meaningless to me?
Kelly
Originally posted by scottishinnzI was unwilling to take your pop quiz did you have some evidence
The difference between us, Kelly, as already shown, is that I'm willing to entertain the evidence, look at what is says, and allow that to lead me to a conclusion. You are not.
that I failed to look at? Now I'd like to point out to you that basically
evidence does not say anything that is up to people. You may have
spin you want to put on evidence, that isn't evidence talking that is
you talking. I have not said anything that I would have thought you
would have disagreed with, unless you believe what you think about
the universe or what I think about universe makes the universe
change to suit our beliefs. I don’t give either of us that much credit.
The universe is what it is; it does not change to suit our beliefs no
matter if our beliefs are faith or logic based.
Kelly
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Originally posted by KellyJayI'm certainly not asking the universe to change. I'm just trying to explain its propertieslogically.
I was unwilling to take your pop quiz did you have some evidence
that I failed to look at? Now I'd like to point out to you that basically
evidence does not say anything that is up to people. You may have
spin you want to put on evidence, that isn't evidence talking that is
you talking. I have not said anything that I would have thought you
would have ...[text shortened]... does not change to suit our beliefs no
matter if our beliefs are faith or logic based.
Kelly
Originally posted by scottishinnzI know, you tell us what it is and means to fit your views. This does
I'm certainly not asking the universe to change. I'm just trying to explain its propertieslogically.
not mean that you are describing things as they are, only that they
fit what you think for the time being.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayKelly,
I know, you tell us what it is and means to fit your views. This does
not mean that you are describing things as they are, only that they
fit what you think for the time being.
Kelly
You keep returning to this point -- that, simply because the laws
of physics are what they are now, they aren't eternal. It requires
a tremendous amount of skepticism to employ such a framework
and is about as absurd as suggesting that maybe 4000 years ago
gravity made things 'fall upwards.'
Your claim that the physics of the universe 'might have been different'
at some indiscriminate point in the past is not based on any proof
and works in contrast with the observations made and recorded over
time by humankind, especially within the increasingly scientificly aware
community.
If you aren't claiming that the physics of the universe have
changed, then why don't you accept the conclusions about radioactive
isotope dating which are dependent on this very framework?
Nemesio
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Originally posted by NosracYou say that faith in Jesus Christ improves thinking? And You are a christian? Then why is your rating so low?
Ok, then, if you think the Bible is BUNK
then PROVE it.
Chap? I'm a chap now? Whatever.
However, before you start knocking the Bible
think of your children...the ones you want to play chess...
think of how awesome their minds would be if their
faith was in Jesus!
Oh yeah, start with the book of Genesis.
Good luck.
Then you asked for proof that bible is crap. But can you prove that it is not? Can you prove, that god exists, that everything in The Bible is true? And please don't use cites of The Bible as evidence. I've seen many people do that - looks pathetic. Please tell me your opinion. (Arguments recommended instead of beliefs)
P.s. Sorry, for my english, if you can't understand something, then ask me to restate my questions or opinion or whatever that is. English is not my nativa language.
P.p.s Eh, I'm new to this forum stuff, and so I opened page 30~ and I was sure that it is the last page, so I answered to a post from there. Anyway, an answer would be appreciated.
Originally posted by kbaumenDon't expect too much from Carson, he's merely a troll, uninterested in debate.
You say that faith in Jesus Christ improves thinking? And You are a christian? Then why is your rating so low?
Then you asked for proof that bible is crap. But can you prove that it is not? Can you prove, that god exists, that everything in The Bible is true? And please don't use cites of The Bible as evidence. I've seen many people do that - looks pathet ...[text shortened]... s the last page, so I answered to a post from there. Anyway, an answer would be appreciated.
Originally posted by NemesioHow many times have I covered this. You are translating rate with
Kelly,
You keep returning to this point -- that, simply because the laws
of physics are what they are now, they aren't eternal. It requires
a tremendous amount of skepticism to employ such a framework
and is about as absurd as suggesting that maybe 4000 years ago
gravity made things 'fall upwards.'
Your claim that the physics of the universe 'mi ...[text shortened]... about radioactive
isotope dating which are dependent on this very framework?
Nemesio
time, which of okay if you are looking at a stop watch. You start it,
it runs, you stop it, and the passage of time is there to see. Rate
is only good if you know how long the stop watch was running, if
you don't know all you know is rate not time.
Kelly