Originally posted by KellyJaySadly, you 're the one with no proof of you basic conviction. If you want go on believing that garbage from the OT , go right ahead however, stop insulting peoples intelligence with you idiotic attacks on science.
I'm quite sure you believe that to be true, you can look at the
universe and say what you will, your saying it does not make it
so. Dating the fossils as billions of years old cannot be shown to
be wrong, it can be accepted, and therefore believed to be true,
and that puts your foundational evidence into the realm of faith,
not fact. I don't believe yo ...[text shortened]... when it gets boiled
down to what is known true and what can only be claimed
to be.
Kelly
Equating science fact with religious myths and calling them both "faith" is simple ridiculous.
Originally posted by Conrau KWhat is there to explain about fossils, something died, and died and
As I have said, could you provide an alternative scientific theory which could explain the existence of fossils?
Look, Kelly I am sympathetic with your arguments. I see that evolution does have anomalies in it. However, there are no other (valid?) thoeries which give a plausbile interpretation of the fossils.
was buried in such a way it 'did not decay' the way it would have had it
not be buried properly. The mystery isn't so much that there are
fossils, but what happened to them, when.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayThat aint even a fossil, thats a mummy. you dummy.
What is there to explain about fossils, something died, and died and
was buried in such a way it 'did not decay' the way it would have had it
not be buried properly. The mystery isn't so much that there are
fossils, but what happened to them, when.
Kelly
Originally posted by twhiteheadThere are people here who think reality is an illusion, I'm not in that
There are always two possibilities:
1. Everything around us is an illusion and we could actually be just brains plugged into a 'matrix' like world or the earth could have been created yesterday by some 'God' or any other illusion to make things that seem real actualy not be real.
2. What we call real is actually real and can be investigated and learnt ...[text shortened]... ld with no 1 then please tell us and we will stop asking you to explain your hypotheses.
group, nor am I in the group that believe everything the 'crowd'
believes in is always going to be true. If you think the dots are
properly connected and you believe it so strongly you want to call it
factual, that is up to you.
I'm not genuinely denying the evidence, I'm saying it is a matter of
faith where you start to tell yourself and others that this must have
been what happened 'Xillion' of years ago. You have what you think
the evidence means, and you have the evidence itself, which does
not have to mean what you suggest it does, there is more than a
little difference there.
Kelly
Originally posted by frogstompYou see anything from me on the O.T. in this conversation?
Sadly, you 're the one with no proof of you basic conviction. If you want go on believing that garbage from the OT , go right ahead however, stop insulting peoples intelligence with you idiotic attacks on science.
Equating science fact with religious myths and calling them both "faith" is simple ridiculous.
I’ve not brought up the O.T. you just did in this conversation.
I’ve said this before, it does not matter about my beliefs in
the O.T. when it comes to evolution and the distant past, even
if evolution is proven wrong, it does not mean that the O.T.
is now justified and proven correct, they are not the only two
choices or possible beginnings. When it comes to evolution
and the distant past, even if evolution is proven wrong, it
does not mean that the O.T. is now justified and proven
correct, they are not the only two choices or possible
beginnings. The truth may be none of the above, but I
personally do believe that is not the case.
I'm not making idiotic attacks on science, just your belief
system.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJaywhat? you didnt like my poetry?
You can die, your body get buried in a land slide and decay and
there will be no trace of it years later. You mind laying off the
names?
Kelly
lol
the thing is the fossil isnt the remains of the creature.
If you're going to give science lessons , try and get your facts straight.
find a real science site and read about the fossilization process.
they will all say something like this:
"The only way we know anything at all about prehistoric life is through fossils. Some people refer to specimens of dinosaurs as "dinosaur bones", but in fact, they are not. No organic material can remain unchanged for millions of years. That is why, the only pieces of the past that survive to be looked upon by human eyes, do so as rocks, or fossils, as they are called when they came from living organisms. So really, there are no dinosaur bones left anywhere, just the ones that have been turned to stone"
http://paleontology.esmartstudent.com/fossilization.html
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Originally posted by frogstompSo tell me, if I die and my body is left out in the open in a few
what? you didnt like my poetry?
lol
the thing is the fossil isnt the remains of the creature.
If you're going to give science lessons , try and get your facts straight.
find a real science site and read about the fossilization process.
they will all say something like this:
"The only way we know anything at all about prehistoric life is that have been turned to stone"
http://paleontology.esmartstudent.com/fossilization.html
hundred years will my body go through the fossilization process or
simply get eaten, decay, and go away from sight? Are you suggesting
that there isn't a process that requires certain conditions to cause
a fossil?
Kelly
UTTER LUNACY!
Fossils are fossils, and that is that.
Read the book of Genesis (not fast, not slow...REAL SLOW), and then put imagine
youself in that time. You will find out many of the answers that you are seeking.
Fossils, however, DID NOT, exist BILLIONS AND BILLIONS AND BILLIONS of years ago.
By the way think on these:
Who was Cain's wife?
Where did Jesus go after he died? He descended. Where?
Why did only Lazarus rise from the dead?
Peace guys
Fossils are in fact known from Pre-Cambrian times billions of years ago. Stromatolites are known from Isua sediments in Western Greenland >3.5 BYO. The Cambrian is the macroevolutionary radiation of the major bodyplans (bauplan in German) of metazoans (multi-cellular life) as studied by the great invertebrate biologist Charles Doolittle Walcott (see Wonderful Life by SJ Gould for an excellent explanation). The Charles Doolittle Walcot Medal is awarded for outstanding work in the field of pre-Cambrian and Cambrian life and history. This article gives a good timeline of the evolution of life on earth and is the most detailed cosmogony we have. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_evolution. The essential point here which folk are not grasping is that science presents testable and falsifiable hypotheses. Religions have no such impediments and this is why their respective origin stories are much less detailed.
Originally posted by KellyJayIm suggesting that you are confusing mummification with fossilization.
So tell me, if I die and my body is left out in the open in a few
hundred years will my body go through the fossilization process or
simply get eaten, decay, and go away from sight? Are you suggesting
that there isn't a process that requires certain conditions to cause
a fossil?
Kelly
Originally posted by NosracOh yeah, well you convinced me with that strong, well thought out argument.
UTTER LUNACY!
Fossils are fossils, and that is that.
Read the book of Genesis (not fast, not slow...REAL SLOW), and then put imagine
youself in that time. You will find out many of the answers that you are seeking.
Fossils, however, DID NOT, exist BILLIONS AND BILLIONS AND BILLIONS of years ago.
By the way think on these:
Who was Cain's wife?
Wh ...[text shortened]... after he died? He descended. Where?
Why did only Lazarus rise from the dead?
Peace guys
Come back again when you've learned how to debate.
Originally posted by KellyJayHow many independant rulers, made by different people in different factories would you have to use to convince you of a given length of string?
I do not know, but what I know is that everything about those
dating methods take place in the here and now, we cannot
monitor any of those tests to ensure there isn't something
missed that can give us bad results. It is a common weakness in
every one of your tests no matter how they are designed.
Kelly
Do you try and use this 'here and now' crap to get off with speeding tickets Kelly? Perhaps both your speedometer AND the policeman's lazergun are BOTH wrong. Also, of course, it takes time (admittedly infinitesimally small) for the light beams to hit the speedometer needle and bounce back to your eye. Maybe you were doing 150MPH when you looked, but during the delay you slowed down to 55 and hence were mis-booked.
I'll repeat, EIGHT INDEPENDANT METHODS GIVE THE SAME RESULT TO WITHIN 2%. How can they all be independantly be wrong by the same amount?
Originally posted by KellyJayMaybe you all should reconvene on this, after it
So tell me, if I die and my body is left out in the open in a few
hundred years will my body go through the fossilization process or
simply get eaten, decay, and go away from sight? Kelly
happens 😉 ...assuming you get Eternal Life 😲
Are you suggesting that there isn't a process that requires certain conditions to cause a fossil?
Of course there is. Your brain cells are more than sufficient evidence - Donate them to scientology! 😛
Originally posted by KellyJayIf you do not accept that the earth is at least a billion years old then yes you are denying they evidence. If you are not going with the 'crowd' on this one then you are basically implying that you believe that 90% of all scientific disciplines are wrong, and that the basic principles of scientific investigation is inherently flawed.
I'm not genuinely denying the evidence, I'm saying it is a matter of
faith where you start to tell yourself and others that this must have
been what happened 'Xillion' of years ago.