What's wrong with evolution?

Originally posted by Nosrac
R U LAUGHING????

I AM

Jesus Christ was the most significant historical person of His time.

Prove that He wasn't.

No, better yet, prove that He didn't do any miracles.

No, even better, prove that none of the prophecies of the Bible were fulfilled.

No, even better yet, prove that the Bible is wrong.

Go ahead, I'm sure you're fully capable of doing so...aren't you???

Do you know what proving a negative is? It's impossible that's what it is. Just try proving that there are no dinosaurs currently alive on Earth. Unless you can have complete information about every single point on the Earth at a single point in time you cannot prove even the "easiest" negative.

Also, you ignored my request to prove that Jesus is still alive.

Originally posted by Nosrac
So then, that means that you can't explain the Bible either?

Have you even read it?

Have you read the book of Genesis very very slowly?

Maybe then you'll have a better grasp of Our Lord and Savior who created all things.

So I take it you are Christian? Ah, never mind. You live in Ohio.

Originally posted by XanthosNZ
Do you know what proving a negative is? It's impossible that's what it is. Just try proving that there are no dinosaurs currently alive on Earth. Unless you can have complete information about every single point on the Earth at a single point in time you cannot prove even the "easiest" negative.

Also, you ignored my request to prove that Jesus is still alive.

So you agree that it is impossible to prove that God doesn't exist?

My question to you is why are you an atheist?

Originally posted by dj2becker
So you agree that it is impossible to prove that God doesn't exist?

My question to you is why are you an atheist?

I'm not a strong atheist. I believe that while it cannot be proven that God does not exist (just as you cannot prove there are no dinosaurs) it also has not (and perhaps will not, I am undecided on this point) been proven that God does exist and therefore not believing in him has just as much basis as believing in him. Also it removes the sometimes poisonous effect of organised religion and satisfies Occam's Razor.

But then again, why do my beliefs have anything to do with Evolution? Let's talk about your beliefs. How old is the Earth?

Originally posted by dj2becker
So you agree that it is impossible to prove that God doesn't exist?

My question to you is why are you an atheist?

Ok well I'm sure it must have been done before on this thread but I'll have another go.

I canot prove that any of the following statements is false:
- God exists
- Christ performed miracles
- Father Christmas lives in Lapland
- The Loche Ness Monster exists
- Fairies live at the bottom of the garden
- The Cosmic Teapot did created the first life
- The FSM did created a mountain with his noodly appendage
- The Koran is the divine word of Allah
- There are dinosaurs living on the planet today.
- Thor controls the thunder and lightning

None of these statements can be objectively proved false but that is no reason to believe that any of them are true. If I were to believe one of them, I would have no logical reason not to believe all the others. That is one reason why I am an atheist.

On the other hand:
- If the theories of fluid dynamics are wrong, they could theoretically be proved wrong.
- If Newtons theories of motion are wrong, they could theoretically be proved wrong. In fact they are and they have been but they are still good enough to land man on the moon which is another interesting point.
- If Einsteins theories of relatively are wrong they can theoretically be proved wrong, which again I think they have been because they break down once you get to the atomic scale.
- If the TOE is wrong it can theoretically be proved wrong.

The TOE has not yet been objectively proved wrong so, until it is I am quite happy to call it the best model we currently have of how the present diversity of life got here (once the initial self replicators had appeared). If it is proved wrong and another, falsifiable, theory comes along that explains everything modelled by evolution, including whatever areas it fails in, then I will be happy to accept that as the new best model.

--- Penguin

Originally posted by Penguin
Ok well I'm sure it must have been done before on this thread but I'll have another go.

I canot prove that any of the following statements is false:
- God exists
- Christ performed miracles
- Father Christmas lives in Lapland
- The Loche Ness Monster exists
- Fairies live at the bottom of the garden
- The Cosmic Teapot did created the first li ...[text shortened]... r areas it fails in, then I will be happy to accept that as the new best model.

--- Penguin

A few problems are evident in your presentation, foremost of which is the treatment of the existence of God and the miracles of the Christ as on the same plane as those 'statements' which follow. Logic is not part of the equation and cannot be referred to as proof of your assertions.

If this is the reason you are an atheist, the grounds are shaky, at best. However, from a more positive position, the atheist lives a life of absurdity, constantly borrowing from the world of reality to maintain a world of make-believe. For that reason, atheism should be rejected. Whether or not one wants to challenge the miracles of the Christ after that would then be a possibility.

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
A few problems are evident in your presentation, foremost of which is the treatment of the existence of God and the miracles of the Christ as on the same plane as those 'statements' which follow. Logic is not part of the equation and cannot be referred to as proof of your assertions.

If this is the reason you are an atheist, the grounds are shaky, at b ...[text shortened]... not one wants to challenge the miracles of the Christ after that would then be a possibility.

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Towing the party line, I see. Don't think for yourself, Freaky - that's dangerous!

Originally posted by scottishinnz
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Towing the party line, I see. Don't think for yourself, Freaky - that's dangerous!

Spade a spade, I'm afraid. Atheism collapses upon itself without the aid of support available only from reality.

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
Spade a spade, I'm afraid. Atheism collapses upon itself without the aid of support available only from reality.

And theism holds fast, irrespective of reality - indeed, sometimes counter to reality.

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
A few problems are evident in your presentation, foremost of which is the treatment of the existence of God and the miracles of the Christ as on the same plane as those 'statements' which follow. Logic is not part of the equation and cannot be referred to as proof of your assertions.

If this is the reason you are an atheist, the grounds are shaky, at b ...[text shortened]... not one wants to challenge the miracles of the Christ after that would then be a possibility.

Freaky, why do you say that?
What do you mean - 'the atheist lives a life of absurdity'?

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
A few problems are evident in your presentation, foremost of which is the treatment of the existence of God and the miracles of the Christ as on the same plane as those 'statements' which follow. Logic is not part of the equation and cannot be referred to as proof of your assertions.

If this is the reason you are an atheist, the grounds are shaky, at b ...[text shortened]... not one wants to challenge the miracles of the Christ after that would then be a possibility.

Oh Good God, that's a hilarious post. Atheists are living in a land of make-believe? And I'd love to see a quantitative reason why the existance of Christ's miracles are different from say "Thor controls the thunder and lightning".

Originally posted by XanthosNZ
I'm not a strong atheist. I believe that while it cannot be proven that God does not exist (just as you cannot prove there are no dinosaurs) it also has not (and perhaps will not, I am undecided on this point) been proven that God does exist and therefore not believing in him has just as much basis as believing in him. Also it removes the sometimes poisono iefs have anything to do with Evolution? Let's talk about your beliefs. How old is the Earth?

Surely your beliefs have to be able to explain the origin of the universe in order to be valid? (I am not talking about evolution)

Originally posted by dj2becker
Surely your beliefs have to be able to explain the origin of the universe in order to be valid? (I am not talking about evolution)

Tell me, why does the fact that the universe exists demand the existance of God?

Originally posted by Penguin
Ok well I'm sure it must have been done before on this thread but I'll have another go.

I canot prove that any of the following statements is false:
- God exists
- Christ performed miracles
- Father Christmas lives in Lapland
- The Loche Ness Monster exists
- Fairies live at the bottom of the garden
- The Cosmic Teapot did created the first li ...[text shortened]... r areas it fails in, then I will be happy to accept that as the new best model.

--- Penguin

The fact that Christ performed miracles can be verified in history, unlike all the other examples you equated as being on the same level.

Originally posted by scottishinnz
Tell me, why does the fact that the universe exists demand the existance of God?

Dr. John Polkinghorne, the world's leading Professor of Quantum Physics, who recently wrote the book "Quantum" which was praised in the Physics Bulletin as the best in it's genre, had the following to say about the big bang in one of his lectures:

He said that the ratio of expansion and contraction had to have be so precise, that it would be equivalent to taking aim at a one square inch target on the other side of the universe, 20 billion light years away, and hitting it bulls eye.

And then in typical British anticlimactic humour he said, "there is no free lunch, someone had to pay", in other words, you can't just get such a highly structured universe by chance...