Originally posted by sugiezdYou should pick what you want to defend and defend it, I also suggest
I do not believe anything - you show a fundemantal missunderstanding.
The absence of belief is not a belief in its self, ie I do not believe that there is no god. The ground state (null hypothesis, if you prefer) is tat there is no god. Those that, for some reason (I'll go into that more thoroughly if you like), believe that there, have the onus of proof ...[text shortened]... other hand, their is a miriad of data supporting evolution.
Where would the smart money go?
that you read the posts you want to debate and debate the points that
those posts bring up. Did I say any where at any time I could prove
God? Where did I talk about absence of belief in anything I just said?
If you want to debate me about sometime I say, I'd start with the
things I say.
Kelly
Originally posted by XanthosNZName calling, you are reduced to that?
That some being you and your compatriots Kelly. Are you really attempting to say that you know more about DNA than scientists who have spent their life studying it?
You self-important bastard.
I am attempting to say things I have written, you on the other hand
like many of your fellow evolutionist believers seem to see things that
are not there. You see what you want to see, if it is there or not.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayI would if I could get through the pseudo-intellectual verbage!
You should pick what you want to defend and defend it, I also suggest
that you read the posts you want to debate and debate the points that
those posts bring up. Did I say any where at any time I could prove
God? Where did I talk about absence of belief in anything I just said?
If you want to debate me about sometime I say, I'd start with the
things I say.
Kelly
Listen, Grasshopper, you seem to attack evolution on one hand (without the slightest idea of its basis) and on the other you drift off into the philosphy of belief.
What do you wnat to talk about?
Originally posted by KellyJayEvolutionists are NOT believers. Wrong word.
Name calling, you are reduced to that?
I am attempting to say things I have written, you on the other hand
like many of your fellow evolutionist believers seem to see things that
are not there. You see what you want to see, if it is there or not.
Kelly
I accept evolution as a solid, well-established theory, almost a fact. This after sound research from Darwin's original hypothesis to date.
There is enough evidence to sink the proverbial battleship that evolution occurs - it's happening now.
On the other hand, the god-squad, take a somewhat shaky postulate, ie that there is a god and move directly through hypothesis and theory to fact without a shred of evidence in support.
Originally posted by KellyJayAs far as I'm concerned you haven't raised a single defensible point in this entire thread.
Name calling, you are reduced to that?
I am attempting to say things I have written, you on the other hand
like many of your fellow evolutionist believers seem to see things that
are not there. You see what you want to see, if it is there or not.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayOut of interest, Kelly, what do you do for a living?
Name calling, you are reduced to that?
I am attempting to say things I have written, you on the other hand
like many of your fellow evolutionist believers seem to see things that
are not there. You see what you want to see, if it is there or not.
Kelly
I'm a chemist who has retrained as a molecular biologist. I'm studying the evolution of agricultural crops with special attention to barley.
I'm not saying that this makes my opinions better or more valid than yours.
I am genuinely interested here in what you do and how your experience and expertise may have helped shape your views.
Contributions from all would be welcome
Originally posted by aardvarkhomeAre you serious?
Out of interest, Kelly, what do you do for a living?
I'm a chemist who has retrained as a molecular biologist. I'm studying the evolution of agricultural crops with special attention to barley.
I'm not saying that this makes my opinions better or more valid than yours.
I am genuinely interested here in what you do and how your experience and expertise may have helped shape your views.
Contributions from all would be welcome
Originally posted by sugiezdEvolutionsist are believers, you believe it is occuring now don't you,
Evolutionists are NOT believers. Wrong word.
I accept evolution as a solid, well-established theory, almost a fact. This after sound research from Darwin's original hypothesis to date.
There is enough evidence to sink the proverbial battleship that evolution occurs - it's happening now.
On the other hand, the god-squad, take a somewhat shaky postul ...[text shortened]... nd move directly through hypothesis and theory to fact without a shred of evidence in support.
and you don't see it doing what you think it has in the past? You
only see what is in front of you now, you have not seen it move
life from simpler life forms like single cell ones into complex ones
like grass and whales, yet you believe it occured. You are indeed
believers, you just don't like admitting it.
Kelly
Originally posted by XanthosNZI don't care what you are concerned about, you have spent more
As far as I'm concerned you haven't raised a single defensible point in this entire thread.
time insulting me than making points that actually mattered on
topic too, when we had exchanges.If I was such a waist of time and
all I said didn't amount to a single defensible point you attacking me
was just because of something twisted within you. Worse case here
I didn't defend my position properly and your twisted insults are all
that comes out of that brain of yours shows you to be something
quite sad. It is written what comes out of the mouth and in our case
here what we type reveals what type of people we are, you have
not done well by yourself here as far as I'm concern.
Kelly
Originally posted by aardvarkhomeEngineering Technician working in R&D.
Out of interest, Kelly, what do you do for a living?
I'm a chemist who has retrained as a molecular biologist. I'm studying the evolution of agricultural crops with special attention to barley.
I'm not saying that this makes my opinions better or more valid than yours.
I am genuinely interested here in what you do and how your experience and expertise may have helped shape your views.
Contributions from all would be welcome
Originally posted by KellyJayUntil you actually get off your arse and obtain an education, this will go round and round.
Evolutionsist are believers, you believe it is occuring now don't you,
and you don't see it doing what you think it has in the past? You
only see what is in front of you now, you have not seen it move
life from simpler life forms like single cell ones into complex ones
like grass and whales, yet you believe it occured. You are indeed
believers, you just don't like admitting it.
Kelly
Would you like to seriously discus cetacean evolution? How about an in depth look at the evolution of the pentadactyl limb?
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Originally posted by KellyJayEngineering Technician working in R&D
Engineering Technician working in R&D.
Is that like Redundant Product Acquisition Technician (bin-man)?
or Nutrition Technician (McDonalds worker)
Do you make the brews...sorry, ahem: construct and engineer beverages through the careful mixture of heated water, coffee, milk and sugar?...do you sweep up? 😉
Originally posted by sugiezdYes mutation happens all the time, yet when they happen within
Information does not stay constant from one generation to the next.
Does the word "mutation" mean anything to you? They happen all the time, in simple organisms such as bacteria, for example. How do you think drug resitant strains appear?
Something inanimate which is as complex as life which was not desogned - the cosmos.
cats we are still seeing cats, when they happen within humans we
are still seeing humans at the end of the day. It is an amazing
process and I do not deny mutations or even evolutionary change
if how you define evolution is simply change within kinds or species
either. What we can see, what we can monitor, what we can record
are not matters of faith and belief; however, what we don't see are
another matter altogether, and we have not seen mutations taking
something completely from one kind into something completely
different like going from a simple cell moving into a whale or a
blade of grass over time through generations, that is a belief and
a matter of faith.
Kelly