Originally posted by robbie carrobie
what is art? science fails because it is concerned with that which is merely material. The silliest people are those that think science can be used as a panacea for all.

The silliest people are those that think science is only concerned with that which is merely material.

Originally posted by menace71
In many cases all science does is bring about more questions
Manny

How does it bring about more questions without doing anything else? I think you are mistaken. Science typically brings about more questions by giving you more information. In general, the more you learn the more questions you can ask.
But to say when you learnt something, all it did was give you more questions is a bit inaccurate don't you think? But it might explain your apathy towards learning.

Originally posted by twhitehead
The silliest people are those that think science is only concerned with that which is merely material.

really, hows that?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
really, hows that?

There is nothing about science that restricts it to material objects.

Originally posted by twhitehead
There is nothing about science that restricts it to material objects.

really hows that? your argument amounts to an argument of authority, we are supposed to believe it because you say so. If you have evidence to the contrary then please produce it.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
really hows that? your argument amounts to an argument of authority, we are supposed to believe it because you say so. If you have evidence to the contrary then please produce it.

It is you making the extraordinary claim (that science can only be applied to material objects) - therefore it is for you to substantiate the claim.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
really hows that? your argument amounts to an argument of authority, we are supposed to believe it because you say so. If you have evidence to the contrary then please produce it.

When was the last time you saw an electromagnetic wave outside the visual spectrum? When was the last time you saw a Neutrino? When was the last time you saw a magnetic field? You think all that is just material? Or the bending of space under the influence of mass, you ever see that or hold it?

Or the study of consciousness, how do you hold that? Or the study of vacuum. Is that material?

Originally posted by sonhouse
When was the last time you saw an electromagnetic wave outside the visual spectrum? When was the last time you saw a Neutrino? When was the last time you saw a magnetic field? You think all that is just material? Or the bending of space under the influence of mass, you ever see that or hold it?

Or the study of consciousness, how do you hold that? Or the study of vacuum. Is that material?

are they not concerned with particles and waves and or the absence of such? well then shad-up-a-yo-face! 😛

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
are they not concerned with particles and waves and or the absence of such? well then shad-up-a-yo-face! 😛

There are very few particles in a vacuum and gravity is just the bending of space due to mass, you can't see that. You can see the mass for sure but not the effect. When was the last time you saw a TV signal broadcast from an antenna? I am pretty sure there are no particles in a TV broadcast or AM or FM radio.

Originally posted by sonhouse
There are very few particles in a vacuum and gravity is just the bending of space due to mass, you can't see that. You can see the mass for sure but not the effect. When was the last time you saw a TV signal broadcast from an antenna? I am pretty sure there are no particles in a TV broadcast or AM or FM radio.

there are waves in tv and radio broadcasts, I mentioned them along with particles and the absence of such (a vacuum) so no matter how you try to spin it you are still concerned with that which is material.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
there are waves in tv and radio broadcasts, I mentioned them along with particles and the absence of such (a vacuum) so no matter how you try to spin it you are still concerned with that which is material.

How do you view electric fields as material? or magnetic fields, a self referential switch between electric fields and magnetic fields, which is all radiation is, with a wide variety of wavelengths from miles wide to femtometers and less, all the same beast. It's a property of space, there is no material in a radio broadcast. Sure, energy, but no mass.

Originally posted by sonhouse
How do you view electric fields as material? or magnetic fields, a self referential switch between electric fields and magnetic fields, which is all radiation is, with a wide variety of wavelengths from miles wide to femtometers and less, all the same beast. It's a property of space, there is no material in a radio broadcast. Sure, energy, but no mass.

whatever dude.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
whatever dude.

Not quite understanding your stance on material stuff. Why do you think an electric field or magnetic field is material?

Originally posted by sonhouse
There are very few particles in a vacuum and gravity is just the bending of space due to mass, you can't see that. You can see the mass for sure but not the effect. When was the last time you saw a TV signal broadcast from an antenna? I am pretty sure there are no particles in a TV broadcast or AM or FM radio.

You can see the bending of space due to mass. Ever hear of gravitational lensing? What about the proof of Einstein's General Theory of Relativity in 1919 when Sir Arthur Eddington proved that the light from a star behind the sun was visible during a solar eclipse?

Originally posted by Suzianne
You [b]can see the bending of space due to mass. Ever hear of gravitational lensing? What about the proof of Einstein's General Theory of Relativity in 1919 when Sir Arthur Eddington proved that the light from a star behind the sun was visible during a solar eclipse?[/b]

Sure you can by watching the star or whatever being in the wrong place but that would be like seeing a surfer by the angle of the waves. The basic gravitational lensing itself is not visible unless there is a light beam between it an you. Glad to see you back!

You can also see the effect of magnetic fields by the way it forces things around like particle beams, something I know a great deal about but you still can't see or feel the magnetic field itself. Maybe you could if the field was like 50 Tesla strong or so. They have floated frogs in powerful magnetic fields but you still can't see it.