@bigdoggproblem saidI'm not sure that the recitation of rote-learned religious doctrine has much to do with "meaningful spiritual insight". If religionists were to spend more time talking in practical terms about how ~ what they see as ~ the meaningful spiritual insights their religion gives them affects their actions, decisions, relationships, ambitions, opinions etc. in real life, in everyday situations, where they apply, where they don't seem to apply, when there are dilemmas, how it affected others etc. etc. then I have a feeling there'd be loads more congratulating going on.
...you congratulated another person on having a meaningful spiritual insight?
Take this thread as a call to acknowledge that Spirituality is a difficult subject, and other people can be helpful in seeing things you may not.
@fmf saidThis is kind of an interesting statement.
I'm not sure that the recitation of rote-learned religious doctrine has much to do with "meaningful spiritual insight". If religionists were to spend more time talking in practical terms about how ~ what they see as ~ the meaningful spiritual insights their religion gives them affects their actions, decisions, relationships, ambitions, opinions etc. in real life, in everyday situ ...[text shortened]... ow it affected others etc. etc. then I have a feeling there'd be loads more congratulating going on.
The religious doctrine that we have is actually at the heart of every discussion here because you and other posters constantly bring it into question.
Furthermore, it takes a great deal of continuosu spiritual reflection to understand these doctrines. When we are actually sharing these words again, words like love your neighbor as how you love yourself, perhaps they seem a bit empty, but the spiritual practice that goes into fathoming this is a lifelong sustained effort.
@philokalia saidYou don't seem to read much of what anyone posts here. I frequently ask people how their religion's supposedly 'meaningful spiritual insights' affect their actions, decisions, relationships, ambitions, opinions etc. in real life, and in everyday situations, but for the most part they run away and hide in the often seemingly insightless thickets of regurgitated doctrine.
The religious doctrine that we have is actually at the heart of every discussion here because you and other posters constantly bring it into question.
@fmf saidYou ask people who believe in a religion that promotes humility to brag about their spiritual growth, probably leading to revealing overly intimate details of themselves, and then you are shocked that they don't want to pose as braggarts here.
You don't seem to read much of what anyone posts here. I frequently ask people how their religion's supposedly 'meaningful spiritual insights' affect their actions, decisions, relationships, ambitions, opinions etc. in real life, and in everyday situations, but for the most part they run away and hide in the often seemingly insightless thickets of regurgitated doctrine.
I think you are missing the point.
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@philokalia saidI have never asked anyone to brag or boast. You are making this up. Nor have I ever asked people for "overly intimate details of themselves". You are making that up too. Christians can talk about their perspectives on real lives in the real world without abandoning "humility". Most here just stick to reciting dogma. I'm not missing my own point or your point at all. You're just making stuff up.
You ask people who believe in a religion that promotes humility to brag about their spiritual growth, probably leading to revealing overly intimate details of themselves, and then you are shocked that they don't want to pose as braggarts here.
I think you are missing the point.
@fmf saidNot when you take them to task for doing so.
I'm not sure that the recitation of rote-learned religious doctrine has much to do with "meaningful spiritual insight". If religionists were to spend more time talking in practical terms about how ~ what they see as ~ the meaningful spiritual insights their religion gives them affects their actions, decisions, relationships, ambitions, opinions etc. in real life, in everyday situ ...[text shortened]... ow it affected others etc. etc. then I have a feeling there'd be loads more congratulating going on.
@suzianne saidI didn't believe your claim that you had saved more people's lives - with CPR on pavements and in the back of cars - than you could remember ~ that you had "lost count" of how many there have been. I believe that zero per cent. And I said so.
Not when you take them to task for doing so.
Meanwhile, I have not "taken [you] to task" for anything else you have talked about that was part of you walking the Christian walk.
@fmf saidThe key word is "meaningful".
I'm not sure that the recitation of rote-learned religious doctrine has much to do with "meaningful spiritual insight". If religionists were to spend more time talking in practical terms about how ~ what they see as ~ the meaningful spiritual insights their religion gives them affects their actions, decisions, relationships, ambitions, opinions etc. in real life, in everyday situ ...[text shortened]... ow it affected others etc. etc. then I have a feeling there'd be loads more congratulating going on.
Obviously, to you, the "recitation of rote-learned religious doctrine" does not meet that category. Feel free to ignore any such statements you have heard.
@bigdoggproblem saidReligious doctrine without application is essentially meaningless.
The key word is "meaningful".
Obviously, to you, the "recitation of rote-learned religious doctrine" does not meet that category. Feel free to ignore any such statements you have heard.
Christian religious doctrine without application is just people imagining that their beliefs are making them immortal.
If IRL stuff counts...
Four days ago I liked a comment by an Orthodox reader who pointed out that the teaching on compatibilism stated that it is foreknown by God, not pre-ordained.
I was wrong.
I gave a hearty "Like" and congratulated him for correcting me.
Though, I am sure, many are surprised to hear that i was wrong on something 😆
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@bigdoggproblem saidMy sister, the Pentecostalist, sent me a text message on my cell phone, wishing me a happy solstice. I thanked her.
...you congratulated another person on having a meaningful spiritual insight?
Take this thread as a call to acknowledge that Spirituality is a difficult subject, and other people can be helpful in seeing things you may not.
I also found, and acknowledged, that Suzi and I are in substantial agreement about the power of what she called “subjective evidence” for faith. And her Yoda quote was spot on.
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@philokalia saidI have heard it said that when the Eastern and Western Churches divided, Catholicism lost its heart and Orthodoxy lost its mind.
If IRL stuff counts...
Four days ago I liked a comment by an Orthodox reader who pointed out that the teaching on compatibilism stated that it is foreknown by God, not pre-ordained.
I was wrong.
I gave a hearty "Like" and congratulated him for correcting me.
Though, I am sure, many are surprised to hear that i was wrong on something 😆