"And Samuel said to Saul, Jehovah sent me to anoint you king over His people Israel. Now therefore listen to the voice of the words of Jehovah.
Thus says Jehovah of hosts, I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they set themselves against them in the way as they came up out of Egypt.
Go now and strike the Amalekites; and utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, infant and suckling, oxen and sheep, camel and donkey." (1 Samuel 15:1-3)
Originally posted by sonship
In God's infinite wisdom He has included examples of when the sentiment of pity can be a sin and cause of man's downfall.
I think the main example I propose will be how king Saul lost his divinely ordained authority.
[b] "And Samuel said to Saul, Jehovah sent me to anoint you king over His people Israel. Now therefore listen to the voice of ...[text shortened]... uckling, oxen and sheep, camel and donkey." (1 Samuel 15:1-3)
"And Saul summoned the people and mustered them in Teliam, two hundred thousand footmen and ten thousand men of Judah. (v.4)
And Saul came to the city of the Amalekites and set an ambush in the river valley. (v.5)
And Saul said to the Kenites, Go. depart; go down from among the Amalekites; otherwise, I will destroy you with them; for you showed kindness to all the children of Israel when they came up out of Egypt. And the Kenites departed from among the Amalekites. (v.6)
Originally posted by whodey
You left out the fact that Saul offered a sacrifice before the priest Samuel, who was late, got there.
Saul simply begins to do things on his own, ignoring what God was telling him to do.
Why did God choose Saul to begin with? Why did he choose David? If you look closely at scripture, you will see that God chooses the lowest of the low. Moses stuttered so badly that he needed his brother Aaron to speak for him. Moses was referred to as the Meekest of men. David was nothing but a child shepherd boy, and Saul was from the lowly tribe of Benjamin, from which he came from the lowliest of clans within that tribe.
God seems to choose men who have next to no ego. Men who are better apt to listen and obey than do things as they desire.
However, as men obtain power, as the likes of Moses, David, and Saul did, they begin to do things as they desire verses things God wants of them. As power increases the ego springs to life.
"Go now and strike the Amalekites; and utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, infant and suckling, oxen and sheep, camel and donkey." (1 Samuel 15:1-3)I think it's abundantly obvious that it is not pity that is the sinful downfall of man in this context, but the actioning of such a cruel and 'ungodly' instruction.
Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
I think it's abundantly obvious that it is not pity that is the sinful downfall of man in this context, but the actioning of such a cruel and 'ungodly' instruction.
"And his servants said to him, Look now, we have heard that the kings of the house of Israel are merciful kings. We beg you, let us put sackcloth on our loins and ropes upon our heads, and go out to the king of Israel. Perhaps he will preserve your life." (1 Kings 20:31)
"And Jehovah said to Moses, Write this as a memorial in a book and recite it to Joshua, that I will utterly blot out the memory of Amalek from under heaven. (Exodus 17:14)
"For he [Moses] said, For there is a hand against the throne of Jah! Jehovah will have war with Amalek from generation to generation." (v.16)
Be honest. if you came across this verse in any other location but the bible, would you not deem its origin as profoundly evil?
Originally posted by sonship1 Samuel 9:21 Saul answered, "But I'm from the tribe of Benjamin. It's the smallest tribe in Israel. And my family group is the least important in the whole tribe of Benjamin. So why are you saying I will be king?
No comment on this just yet. You can elaborate.
Originally posted by whodey
The reason God chooses the weakest of the weak to work through I think is twofold. He is better able to work through them because they have a more accurate picture of themselves, which is weak, naked, and completely dependent upon God. However, when they obtain worldly power and wealth, the delusion falls upon them that they no longer need God.
Secondly, working through the weakest of the weak and the ones the world despises, it shows the power and might of God. Not only did God bring Israel out of Egypt devoid of an army, he used a murderer who stuttered like there was no tomorrow and who was a fugitive and outcast from Egypt.
Originally posted by whodey2.) The other sign that God had Moses do in His calling of Moses, was to place his hand in his bosom and pull it out again.
1 Samuel 9:21 Saul answered, "But I'm from the tribe of Benjamin. It's the smallest tribe in Israel. And my family group is the least important in the whole tribe of Benjamin. So why are you saying I will be king?
1 Samuel 16:6 When they arrived, Samuel saw Eliab. He thought, "This has to be the one the Lord wants me to anoint for him."
7 But the L ...[text shortened]... murderer who stuttered like there was no tomorrow and who was a fugitive and outcast from Egypt.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
The heart is more deceitful than anything else, and incurable--who can understand it?
International Standard Version
"The heart is more deceitful than anything. It is incurable— who can know it?
Then Saul struck the Amalekites from Havilah as you go down to Shur, which is opposite Egypt. And he captured Agag the king of the Amalekites alive and utterly destroyed all the people with the edge of the sword.
But Saul and the people spared Agag and the best of the sheep and of the oxen and of the fatlings, and the lambs and all that was good, and would not utterly destroy them; but everything that was despised and worthless, this they utterly destroyed.
And the word of Jehovah came to Samuel, saying, I repent that I made Saul king, for he has turned back from following Me and has not fulfilled My words. And Samuel was angry, and he cried to Jehovah all night long. (1 Sam. 15:7-11)