Who is qualified.

Originally posted by Dasa
The proof is recognized in the foolish teaching themselves........but honesty and education is needed to see this.

Jesus never supported animal slaughter and he was killed trying to educate the people in true spirituality by the pseudo religious leaders at the time who where threatened by his authority.

I don't recall Jesus saying anything about animal slaughter. And where
did you get the idea that there was an animal slaughter doctrine in
Christianity?

Originally posted by JS357
Let me try this another way. Do you, Dasa, or do you RJ, think you are actually teaching what you intend to teach, here? Don't forget, if the student hasn't learned, the teacher hasn't taught. I would call both of your teaching methods failures. With some exceptions on your part, Dasa, when you simply annotate your scriptures, with a take it or leave it approach.

May I intervene? There is a lot of confusion here. Dasa has raised the bar far too high and RJH has reiterated the Bible as the only authority. Who is qualified and entitled to receive spiritual instruction is the moot point here. As per our seers e.g. Shankaracharya,the first requirement is that the person should be very much keen in getting liberated from the coils of Sansara i.e.from the cycles of birth and death. Academic interest alone will not suffice. The next point is that the person should have had his 3 main Desires quenched. These are: i) desire for sensual pleasures ii) desire for money iii) desire for recognition from people. Then he should be intelligent and skilled in appreciating argument. There some other requirements, too. The qualifications are for a person desiring to be engaged in spiritual pursuit whole time

Originally posted by rvsakhadeo
May I intervene? There is a lot of confusion here. Dasa has raised the bar far too high and RJH has reiterated the Bible as the only authority. Who is qualified and entitled to receive spiritual instruction is the moot point here. As per our seers e.g. Shankaracharya,the first requirement is that the person should be very much keen in getting liberated fr ...[text shortened]... too. The qualifications are for a person desiring to be engaged in spiritual pursuit whole time

There's no escaping the fact that many people here, myself included, simply do not submit to or recognize the "authority" that Dasa chooses to submit to. Therefore, his opinions about "Who is qualified" have no intellectual traction whatsoever and are highly unlikely to have any impact on any fellow poster's spiritual outlook. The fact that he appears to command almost no respect in this community further undermines any pronouncements he might make about qualifications.

Originally posted by Dasa
The animal slaughtering doctrine of Christianity is not bonafide.

You must be honest to understand this.

Who are you to know this for a fact? This is your own assumption and not to real truth. You are speculating.

Originally posted by googlefudge
[b]"You talk of fact but you have no fact when defending false science."

I have plenty of facts, actually science and the scientific method, is pretty much the only game in town when it comes
to generating and verifying facts.


"You say life comes from non life this is not fact."

There is a lot of evidence to suggest life can and di ...[text shortened]...
I would be happy to help if need any with that.[/b]

Life can not come from nothing. You are taking fat chances. Science has definetely made you blind

Originally posted by Nicksten
Life can not come from nothing. You are taking fat chances. Science has definetely made you blind

"Who are you to know this for a fact? This is your own assumption and not to real truth. You are speculating."

Originally posted by Dasa
Did you know that 99.999% of people are not qualified to discuss the subject of God and religion.

This is not a put down but the actual fact.

If someone stopped me and asked me about contract law I would say I have no clue about this and tell them to ask someone else.

Others would go on line and in 5 minutes become experts in contract law and then woul ...[text shortened]... falsity and have to become untaught of their indoctrination.......which they stubbornly resist.

Dassa, The Qualified to qualify.

Authority....

Everyone accepts authority and they have done it their whole life and are still doing it as we speak.

Their entire stay at school or college is testament to accepting authority and this is called the descending method of learning as opposed to the acceding method which is the empiricle method.

The descending method is the superior method because it leaves behind speculation and fabrication and it is proven.

Dishonest persons whimsically reject spiritual authority from the platform of ignorance and not from the platform of knowledge.

Whimsical rejection of authority has no place in discussion in this forum or any forum.

Rejection of authority can only happen if the rejection is supported by true knowledge and fair analysis.

Whimsical rejection is just foolish, ignorant, trouble rousing, insincere and evidence of dishonesty.

Ironically persons who are not qualified and are dishonest cannot determine even with analysis what is spiritual authority.

Who can discuss with persons of this standard.

All spiritual discussion must be supported by authority and the only authority for spirituality is the Veda (this is undeniable by honest persons)

Persons who are persistent with whimsical rejection of authority are simply rascals and fools..........This is supported by the Veda.

Therefore the solution is that persons should simply engage in submissive hearing from the authority..............and all will be well.

Originally posted by Dasa
Did you know that 99.999% of people are not qualified to discuss the subject of God and religion.

This is not a put down but the actual fact.

If someone stopped me and asked me about contract law I would say I have no clue about this and tell them to ask someone else.

Others would go on line and in 5 minutes become experts in contract law and then woul ...[text shortened]... falsity and have to become untaught of their indoctrination.......which they stubbornly resist.

You have much to learn Grasshopper.

Originally posted by ChessPraxis
You have much to learn Grasshopper.

The most simple can be complicated by the person who is the most mathematical.

Their mathematical prowess is their undoing for they seek to see everything in terms of the mathematical equation.

They try to understand the mathematics of God and because God is not a mathematical equation they become stumped.

Or they provide a mathematical equation for God which in the final analysis is just a mathematical equation.....nothing more and nothing less.

Originally posted by Dasa
Authority....

Everyone accepts authority and they have done it their whole life and are still doing it as we speak.

Their entire stay at school or college is testament to accepting authority and this is called the descending method of learning as opposed to the acceding method which is the empiricle method.

The descending method is the superior method ...[text shortened]... should simply engage in submissive hearing from the authority..............and all will be well.

Not me.

Originally posted by Dasa
Authority....

...The descending method is the superior method because it leaves behind speculation and fabrication and it is proven.

[...]Whimsical rejection is just foolish, ignorant, trouble rousing, insincere and evidence of dishonesty.

[...]All spiritual discussion must be supported by authority and the only authority for spirituality is the Veda (this is undeniable by honest persons)

Persons who are persistent with whimsical rejection of authority are simply rascals and fools..........This is supported by the Veda.

Therefore the solution is that persons should simply engage in submissive hearing from the authority..............and all will be well.

What is "undeniable", Dasa, is that your calls for people to be "submissive" to the "authority" that is "descending" from you or from the speculative "authority" about the supernatural that you happen to have submitted yourself to and that you promote here, is not working well for you here at RHP. Not at all. Your relentless personal abuse cannot alter this fact.

Originally posted by Dasa
I am here to expose false science and false religion and to inform persons where they may go to receive true knowledge.

all you've exposed so far is your ignorance of the science you're trying to expose.

Originally posted by FMF
[b]...The descending method is the superior method because it leaves behind speculation and fabrication and it is proven.

[...]Whimsical rejection is just foolish, ignorant, trouble rousing, insincere and evidence of dishonesty.

[...]All spiritual discussion must be supported by authority and the only authority for spirituality is the Veda (this is unden or you here at RHP. Not at all. Your relentless personal abuse cannot alter this fact.

The authority is describing fools and rascal as....fools and rascals.

Its simple.

If a person behaves like a fool and rascal then that is what they are.

Bhagavad Gita
sattvat sanjayate jnanam
rajaso lobha eva ca
pramada-mohau tamaso
bhavato 'jnanam eva ca

SYNONYMS
sattvat--from the mode of goodness; sanjayate--develops; jnanam--knowledge; rajasah--from the mode of passion; lobhah--greed; eva--certainly; ca--also; pramada--madness; mohau--illusion; tamasah--from the mode of ignorance; bhavatah--develops; ajnanam--nonsense; eva--certainly; ca--also.

TRANSLATION
From the mode of goodness, real knowledge develops; from the mode of passion, greed develops; and from the mode of ignorance, foolishness, madness and illusion develop.

So you can see the Supreme Lord is declaring that these persons are foolish and mad and in illusion.

I only repeat the word s of the authority.

If you maintain that spirituality can be invented and that killing is good then you are a fool.

Or if you accept that life comes from dead stone then you are also a fool.

It has been decided by authority.

It has nothing to do with me.

Originally posted by VoidSpirit
all you've exposed so far is your ignorance of the science you're trying to expose.

You are saying life comes from dead stone........this is your foolishness and ignorance.