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Who made God?

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Originally posted by LemonJello
Once you understand that no agent undergirds normativity, you'll have yourself a real epiphany.
Wunderbra!

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Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
Wunderbra!
Thanks for the support, BdN.

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Originally posted by LemonJello
Thanks for the support, BdN.
Enlightenment or bust!

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Originally posted by Pawnokeyhole
Enlightenment or bust!
Cling to the curvature.

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Originally posted by LemonJello
No, the formal argument would define God by the terms that many of his supporters insist on.

Assuming the existence of evil just assumes that there is some reasonable ethical treatment being used. This does not in any way imply the existence of your God. Once you understand that no agent undergirds normativity, you'll have yourself a real epiphany.
Would you agree that what Hitler did to the Jews was a horrible crime, and can be regarded as Evil?

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Originally posted by dj2becker
Would you agree that what Hitler did to the Jews was a horrible crime, and can be regarded as Evil?
It was a mistake.

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This is a problem. The Gospels present a God who is available to all kinds of people. All kinds of statuses and states can come. All kinds of levels of education, morality, mental concentration, etc.

I invariably find that skeptics of the Bible restrict the way to truth in more and more narrow terms. The charge of exclusion and elitism must fall on them.

"Whosever believes into Him" is universal or nearly so. It is wide open and accomadating.

The skeptics of the Bible make truth approachable only to those few elite brilliant theorists who master many metaphysical abstractions, pro and con.

You skeptics of the Bible always make the way to know vital truths about life more and more narrow and inaccesible to all but the elite thinkers.

This is not a statement of anti-intellectualism. This is a statement that skeptical thinkers are hundreds of times more exclusive than God is.

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Originally posted by jaywill
This is a problem. The Gospels present a God who is available to all kinds of people. All kinds of statuses and states can come. All kinds of levels of education, morality, mental concentration, etc.

I invariably find that skeptic of the Bible restrict the way to truth in more and more narrow terms. The charge of exclusion and elitism must fall on them. ...[text shortened]... This is a statement that skeptical thinkers are hundreds of times more exclusive than God is.
How convenient that reality should conform to the mental limits of the only modestly intelligent.

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Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
It was a mistake.
My question was directed at LJ with regards to his argument from evil...

I would like to know how he defines 'evil'...

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Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
It was a mistake.
Well, it was a little more than that. Are you saying that Hitler's heart was in the right place?

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Originally posted by Pawnokeyhole
Well, it was a little more than that. Are you saying that Hitler's heart was in the right place?
Do you beleive in the existence of good and evil?

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Originally posted by dj2becker
Do you beleive in the existance of good and evil?
Of course. But I don't need to believe in God to believe in them (in case that is where you may be going with this).

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Originally posted by Pawnokeyhole
Well, it was a little more than that. Are you saying that Hitler's heart was in the right place?
It was a mistake THIS BIG, ok?

I think his heart was in the usual place but the paranoia did him no favours.

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Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
It was a mistake THIS BIG, ok?

I think his heart was in the usual place but the paranoia did him no favours.
Your forgiveness and understanding truly verge on the Christian.

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Originally posted by Pawnokeyhole
Of course. But I don't need to believe in God to believe in them (in case that is where you may be going with this).
So do you believe what Hitler did was 'good' or 'evil'?