Who made God?

Originally posted by Pawnokeyhole
How convenient that reality should conform to the mental limits of the only modestly intelligent.

That is a willful misunderstanding of what I wrote.

It is a veiled insult.

"Oh, how convenient. Since you are so dumb that you defend God's desire that all men be saved and come to the full knowledge of the truth."

God desires all people to come to the full knowledge of the truth. If you are so intelligent you might thank God for your sound mind. When did you turn around after one year and thank God for the soundness and good condition of your mind?

Anyway, God loves people and desires them to come to the truth. That's you with your really brilliant intellect and the rest of us whom you stare down your spectacles at condescendingly.

Originally posted by Pawnokeyhole
Your forgiveness and understanding truly verge on the Christian.

Calling me stupid? Huh?

Originally posted by Pawnokeyhole
Of course. But I don't need to believe in God to believe in them (in case that is where you may be going with this).

How do you know what evil is unless you know what good is? And how do you know what good is unless there is an objective standard beyond yourself?

These questions are simply to provoke your mind, and to show you that agreement in the existance of evil presupposes God's existance. If you are truly interested and willing to negotiate your view, based on the evidence, I will type up and post an outline of "The Problem of Evil" which proves Gods existance (and a specific "God" at that), but it may take some time.

Originally posted by jaywill
That is a willful misunderstanding of what I wrote.

It is a veiled insult.

"Oh, how convenient. Since you are so dumb that you defend God's desire that [b]all men be saved and come to the full knowledge of the truth."

God desires all people to come to the full knowledge of the truth. If you are so intelligent you might thank God for your ...[text shortened]... illiant intellect and the rest of us whom you stare down your spectacles at condescendingly.[/b]

Take it easy. I wasn't insulting you.

The world is a very confusing place. I try to understand it, but fail. However, I am just smart enough to understand that the world is confusing, and that my understanding of it is fallible. I pay a price: recognition that reality is not reaching out to explain itself to be, and that the truth is mostly uncertain and largely unobtainable.

Hence, it strikes me as ever so convenient that the nature of reality should be revealed to "mere children".

Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
Calling me stupid? Huh?

I was addressing your moral character, not your intelligence.

But now that you mention it...

Originally posted by Pawnokeyhole
I was addressing your moral character, not your intelligence.

But now that you mention it...

I forgive you.

Originally posted by Pawnokeyhole
I was addressing your moral character, not your intelligence.

But now that you mention it...

So is killing 6 million people, 'evil' or 'good'?

Originally posted by dj2becker
So is killing 6 million people, 'evil' or 'good'?

Or "a job well done" as Eichmann might have put it?

Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
Or "a job well done" as Eichmann might have put it?

Something tells me you never had a Bar Mitzvah.

Originally posted by Pawnokeyhole
How convenient that reality should conform to the mental limits of the only modestly intelligent.

The modestly intellegent then have no right to the vital truths of life?

What about children?

What about the retarded?

What about teenagers?

What about those with no formal training in higher education?

What about those elderly whose capacities are fading?

All of these cannot approach truth in your world?

Truth is beyond the grasp of all of these. They haven't mastered the Cosmological Argument, nor Kant, nor Calvin, nor Einstien or Freud, nor Darwin or Luther. So they just have to miss truth?

We'll just have to take your word for it huh?

Okay then. Why are we here? Who are we? You tell us. You thought it through for the rest of the less able didn't you?

So then what can you tell us about who we are and why we are here in this universe? Or are you yourself ever shifting with uncertainty?

Originally posted by jaywill
The modestly intellegent then have no right to the vital truths of life?

What about children?

What about the retarded?

What about teenagers?

What about those with no formal training in higher education?

What about those elderly whose capacities are fading?

All of these cannot approach truth in your world?

Truth is beyond the gra ...[text shortened]... re and why we are here in this universe? Or are you yourself ever shifting with uncertainty?

I have no idea what it's all about.

It's called intellectual humility.

Originally posted by Pawnokeyhole
Something tells me you never had a Bar Mitzvah.

I'm jest playing with the woids. Look--the needless killing of a single person, or animal, let alone 6 million, appals me, but I'm not sure that "evil" has anything to do with it. Maybe "sickness".

Originally posted by Pawnokeyhole
Something tells me you never had a Bar Mitzvah.

And something tells me you cannot give me a straight answer.

Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
I'm jest playing with the woids. Look--the needless killing of a single person, or animal, let alone 6 million, appals me, but I'm not sure that "evil" has anything to do with it. Maybe "sickness".

Yeah, I know that.

Now, if only you embrace Jesus as your Lord and Saviour, you'd be perfect.

Originally posted by dj2becker
And something tells me you cannot give me a straight answer.

Something tells me you can't ask a straight question.