27 Jan 08
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when a creationist claims god made everything, the first reply of an atheist is "who made god?" how does this disprove god? when an atheist says "the big bang made everything", a creationist could just as easily say "who created the big bang?" my point is not that god is real, my point is that the who-created-god-paradox is not a valid one because it could also be used to disprove the big bang theory also. you may say "the big bang came from matter smaller than an atom that is ever expanding." "who made that small piece of matter?" somewhere along the line, something that normally is considered "impossible" happened; something created itself.
EDIT: or that something has always existed and created everything or caused everything (big bang, or god).
27 Jan 08
Originally posted by EcstremeVenomThe "who created god" question is usually mentioned after creationists use the argument that god must exist because everything must have a creator. If everything must have a creator, then god must too.
when a creationist claims god made everything, the first reply of an atheist is "who made god?" how does this disprove god? when an atheist says "the big bang made everything", a creationist could just as easily say "who created the big bang?" my point is not that god is real, my point is that the who-created-god-paradox is not a valid one because it c ...[text shortened]... g has always existed and created everything or caused everything (big bang, or god).
The difference is that the big bang theory doesn't claim that everything needs to have a creator, nor does it claim that someone created that piece of matter.
27 Jan 08
Originally posted by EcstremeVenomWhat if the only fundamental constant is that of energy? Prehaps energy 'always' existed. I use inverted commas because there was no pre-big bang from a human perspective as time did not exist. Anyway, not understanding something with our current scientific knowleage is no reason to give up and say 'God did it.'
when a creationist claims god made everything, the first reply of an atheist is "who made god?" how does this disprove god? when an atheist says "the big bang made everything", a creationist could just as easily say "who created the big bang?" my point is not that god is real, my point is that the who-created-god-paradox is not a valid one because it c ...[text shortened]... g has always existed and created everything or caused everything (big bang, or god).
28 Jan 08
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I don't understand why anyone has to prove anything. God is supernatural, and therefore does not follow natural 'laws'. So it doesn't matter. Why this urge to 'prove' that god exists?
The FSM people simply accept that the FSM alters any test any way (s)he sees fit anyway.
28 Jan 08
Originally posted by EcstremeVenomCreationists have a theory, similar to the Big Bang, commonly refered to as the Chicken Brickin'. Now, there are differences, God, for instance, always existed. However, when He was much younger and playing around in his bedroom, He made himself a pet much like a chicken. The chicken, affectionately known as Ed, was a much beloved pet. One day, God got a little, shall we say, vigorous when playing around with Ed. One thing led to another and Chicken Brickin was initiated, wherupon, Ed's head was smashed between a couple of bricks. The resulting thrashing and climax created the Universe.
when a creationist claims god made everything, the first reply of an atheist is "who made god?" how does this disprove god? when an atheist says "the big bang made everything", a creationist could just as easily say "who created the big bang?" my point is not that god is real, my point is that the who-created-god-paradox is not a valid one because it c ...[text shortened]... g has always existed and created everything or caused everything (big bang, or god).
28 Jan 08
Originally posted by Jake Ellisoni never said god did it, i am pretty neutral in the sense that idk what happened at the "beginning". i just put that out there for people to discuss.
What if the only fundamental constant is that of energy? Prehaps energy 'always' existed. I use inverted commas because there was no pre-big bang from a human perspective as time did not exist. Anyway, not understanding something with our current scientific knowleage is no reason to give up and say 'God did it.'
28 Jan 08
Originally posted by PsychoPawna creationist would reply, "god is infinite and has always existed."
The "who created god" question is usually mentioned after creationists use the argument that god must exist because everything must have a creator. If everything must have a creator, then god must too.
The difference is that the big bang theory doesn't claim that everything needs to have a creator, nor does it claim that someone created that piece of matter.
28 Jan 08
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Originally posted by EcstremeVenomNo I understand that. Some people do say 'God did it' though. I wasn't spesifically directing that comment.
i never said god did it, i am pretty neutral in the sense that idk what happened at the "beginning". i just put that out there for people to discuss.
28 Jan 08
Originally posted by Hand of HecateThis is a theory I could accept.
Creationists have a theory, similar to the Big Bang, commonly refered to as the Chicken Brickin'. Now, there are differences, God, for instance, always existed. However, when He was much younger and playing around in his bedroom, He made himself a pet much like a chicken. The chicken, affectionately known as Ed, was a much beloved pet. One day, Go ...[text shortened]... smashed between a couple of bricks. The resulting thrashing and climax created the Universe.
28 Jan 08
Originally posted by EcstremeVenomYour argument is ridiculous. Theists claim that god is eternal and that he was not 'caused.' To escape from the eternal causal regression they plug him in as the first cause, or the 'uncaused cause.' The atheists rightfully question what basis they have for making that claim. Since Big Bang theorists do not necessarily make any claims for what preceded the Big Bang, I fail to see what one position has to do with the other. It's an open question as to what (or if anything) preceded the Big Bang.
when a creationist claims god made everything, the first reply of an atheist is "who made god?" how does this disprove god? when an atheist says "the big bang made everything", a creationist could just as easily say "who created the big bang?" my point is not that god is real, my point is that the who-created-god-paradox is not a valid one because it c ...[text shortened]... g has always existed and created everything or caused everything (big bang, or god).