Who was (is) Jesus ?

Originally posted by divegeester
Good grief!

My thoughts exactly....Lol.

Originally posted by karoly aczel
"100% human and 100% God".

I'm not the best mathematician, but that dont add up.
Could you rephrase that part?

What he should have said was that Jesus is fully God
as much as He is fully man. Some believe Jesus is
half God and half man, in other words, 50% God and
50% man making up the 100% God-man. In the early
days of USA history when a baby was born from a native
American Indian and a European settler, the baby was
described as a half-breed. That is the way some people
think of Jesus, a half breed whose father is God and mother
is human (mankind). But others believe that idea is not
correct when God is the father. They believe that Jesus
was fully man (from woman), but also fully God because of
His father (God).

Originally posted by karoly aczel

Jesus doesn't want to be worshipped, he just wants people to get along.

But don't you think He deserves to be worshipped?

Originally posted by RJHinds
But don't you think He deserves to be worshipped?

Dead people don't care about worship.

Originally posted by RJHinds
But don't you think He deserves to be worshipped?

Sounds rather needy for an omnipotent being. Maybe he has parental issues.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
why do you stop there , why not quote John 1:18, the very same chapter,

John 1:18 (American Standard Version)

No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Another translation of John 1:18 (New American Standard Bible)

No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten God,
who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.

Man can not see God the Father with his eyes.

Jesus said to him, "I am the way,the truth, and the life; no one
comes to the Father, but through Me. If you had known Me, you
would have known My Father also; from now on you know Him,
and have seen Him."
Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us."
Jesus said to him, "Have I been so long with you, and yet you have
not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father;
how do you say, 'Show us the Father'? Do you not believe I am in the
Father and the Father is in Me?"
(John 14:6-10 NASB)

Originally posted by josephw
Did you quit sinning yet? Or know anyone who has?


[b]"Jesus wanted people to become become righteous,.."

No one becomes righteous.

One is made righteous.[/b]

Jesus taught that His true disciples would be freed from the slavery of committing sin:
John 8:32-36
"...If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free...Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is the slave of sin...So if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed."

Seems you don't believe Jesus.

However it does seem you believe that one can have been "made righteous" and continue to sin despite the contrary nature of the two.

Your beliefs are like a house built on sand.

Originally posted by Agerg
Dead people don't care about worship.

Yes, but my hope is that Jesus will bring me and all
believers back to life, just like He said He would. He
proved He could do it.

Originally posted by caissad4
Sounds rather needy for an omnipotent being. Maybe he has parental issues.

Jesus said in John 3:17-18 NASB:

"For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world,
but that the world should be saved through Him. He who believes
in Him is not judged; he who does not believe is judged already,
because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten
Son of God

Originally posted by JS357
Then I would like this thread better as, "What do you rely on for your biography of Jesus, and why?

Agreed that might have been better

Originally posted by RJHinds
Jesus said in John 3:17-18 NASB:

"For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world,
but that the world should be saved through Him. He who believes
in Him is not judged; he who does not believe is judged already,
because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten
Son of God

Actually it is much more likely it is John who said that as the use of the word "Him" and the phrase "only begotten Son" would seem to indicate.

Originally posted by karoly aczel
The spirit of Jesus lives on and his message can be intuited by those that trust their intuition.
I think christ wants us to follow his example ahead of him wanting to be worshipped. (I'm not poo-pooing worship, I just think that practical, grass roots goood works, (often unseen by others), is more important than worship. )

Of course we are all diff ...[text shortened]... s at lost/wasted causes. But for the most part, good works is more important than worship, imo)

Understand I think though that why does worship have a bad connotation? Giving value or worth ship to one who deserve it. I do agree that people miss the point of why be a Christian? Many want the label no doubt but also give the bad name.




Manny

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
with the mere fact that it states in the same chapter of your translation that Jesus is
God and then, no one has seen God at any time, ummmm, didn't plenty of people see
Jesus or is your translation lacking in integrity somehow.

I believe the NASB is superior to the NWT hands down. But whatever you like to say or think is up to you my friend but you know this already 😉

www.biblegateway.com





Manny

Originally posted by galveston75
You know my friend there seems to be a real lack of just plain ole commen sense missing here with some of our friends. They bounce around from scripture to scripture that kinda supports what they think it's saying but then don't read the rest of the same scripture or any other scriptures that totally contradict whet they think a couple scriptures are say ...[text shortened]... go back to the same mistakes. What a waist especially since the truth can be had by all.

I laugh at an organization (Not you guys personally for I really believe your sincere) that is so wrought with lies and errors that it's a joke. I feel bad that you guys don't see the joke but it is what it is, You both seem to have personal vendettas against Christianity for various reasons. (which I already know) Common sense is that you read something in context and in light of what is written around it. You can also look at what was written in historical context. An example of one of your organizations errors is on blood transfusion (I know we've been over and over this too!!) and comparing to eating blood. However the context is things strangled and bleed for worship to false god or idols.

Manny

Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
Actually it is much more likely it is John who said that as the use of the word "Him" and the phrase "only begotten Son of God" would seem to indicate.

No, this was part of an answer Jesus gave to Nicodemus.
See John 3:10 The whole incident starts at verse 1.