Originally posted by Rajk999
The Comforter being with the disciples or the church as a whole and forever, is a completely different matter to an individual disciple being filled with the holy spirit permanently.
You make Jesus a liar then. He tells the twelve that the Comforter will be with them forever. But what you say He really meant was that with each of them individually He only promises the Comforter will be with them temporarily and conditionally.
If you say that the "you"
the universal church then it makes verse 17 senseless.
"Even the Spirit of reality whom the world cannot receive, because it does not behold Him or know Him.;
But you know Him, because He abides with you and shall be in you." (John 14:17)
Jesus was physically with the twelve disciples.
After His resurrection He who had been abiding with them physically would be IN them.
Jesus is IN all the constituents of the universal church. But not all of the universal church was privy to Jesus being physically abiding with them for three and one half years.
So the promise of verse 16 is to the disciples. You cannot say He is forever with the universal church only but not necessarily with the individual disciples.
Many professed followers and partakers of the Holy Spirit can and do/did fall away.
That speaks of their unfaithfulness to the Spirit. It does not mean the Holy Spirit's unfaithfulness to THEM.
Thereafter they are not partakers of the Holy Spirit.
One not partaking of the benefit and riches of the Holy Spirit is not one whom the Holy Spirit has left. You are speaking of a believer's leaving the blessed influence of the Holy Spirit living in them. This does not mean the Holy Spirit is unfaithful to THEM and leaves them.
No passage in the Bible speaks of anyone being permanently filled with the Holy Spirit. God gives and withdraws as he pleases.
I didn't provide you a passage about being filled. I provided you with a passage about the Holy Spirit being WITH the disciples forever. And if you don't believe it, I choose to believe it.
Now in your next post specify the New Testament
passage saying that God will or did cause a withdrawing of the Holy Spirit from a Christian.