1. Subscribersonhouse
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    19 Apr '07 03:05
    Adam? Eve? Did Eve go to heaven? What about the ones that Cain married? Who were apparently not in the garden of eden?
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    19 Apr '07 03:11
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    Adam? Eve? Did Eve go to heaven? What about the ones that Cain married? Who were apparently not in the garden of eden?
    biblically speaking? abel, i'd say.
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    19 Apr '07 03:141 edit
    Originally posted by Big Mac
    biblically speaking? abel, i'd say.
    So A&E never made it? So they went to hell?
    Ah, my wife says Abel because he was the first to die.
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    19 Apr '07 03:23
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    So A&E never made it? So they went to hell?
    Ah, my wife says Abel because he was the first to die.
    good wife.
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    19 Apr '07 04:40
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    So A&E never made it? So they went to hell?
    Ah, my wife says Abel because he was the first to die.
    now my wife is stepping in with her two cents...
    heaven was not available until jesus died. therefore, all the believers before jesus went at the same time from abraham's bosom or sheol or wherever to heaven.
    per my wife. smartest lady i know. 😉
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    19 Apr '07 07:18
    Originally posted by Big Mac
    now my wife is stepping in with her two cents...
    heaven was not available until jesus died. therefore, all the believers before jesus went at the same time from abraham's bosom or sheol or wherever to heaven.
    per my wife. smartest lady i know. 😉
    But I thought various characters flew up into heaven in the old testament.
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    19 Apr '07 12:53
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    But I thought various characters flew up into heaven in the old testament.
    does it mention them specifically going to heaven?
    if it does, the hebrew word is usually plural, e.g. heavens, which does refer to the sky. their ultimate destination is not mentioned, if i recall. i can't look it up right now, but i will.
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    19 Apr '07 13:53
    Originally posted by Big Mac
    does it mention them specifically going to heaven?
    if it does, the hebrew word is usually plural, e.g. heavens, which does refer to the sky. their ultimate destination is not mentioned, if i recall. i can't look it up right now, but i will.
    So why would God reward a famous character by sending him to the sky?
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    19 Apr '07 14:211 edit
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    So why would God reward a famous character by sending him to the sky?
    i'm just saying that it doesn't list his "final destination."

    the afterlife is very murky in the ot.

    there are places such as abraham's bosom, sheol, the pit, etc. it would take some study and research to figure out the language and implications.
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    19 Apr '07 14:51
    Originally posted by Big Mac
    i'm just saying that it doesn't list his "final destination."

    the afterlife is very murky in the ot.

    there are places such as abraham's bosom, sheol, the pit, etc. it would take some study and research to figure out the language and implications.
    And what's happened to that first person who went to heaven. Has he aged? Or has he remained the same as at the time of his death? If that guy decided to donate his heart before he died, and then his heart really got harvested when he died, will he arrive in heaven without a heart?

    But how many people have gone to heaven after that? Between heaven and hell, which one is more populated now? Probably hell.

    Perhaps God needs to think about expanding the size of both heaven and hell soon because a total of 6.5 billion people are on the way there. Not to mention that the number is increasing exponentially.
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    19 Apr '07 16:48
    Originally posted by ckoh1965
    And what's happened to that first person who went to heaven. Has he aged? Or has he remained the same as at the time of his death? If that guy decided to donate his heart before he died, and then his heart really got harvested when he died, will he arrive in heaven without a heart?

    But how many people have gone to heaven after that? Between heaven and he ...[text shortened]... illion people are on the way there. Not to mention that the number is increasing exponentially.
    good questions. i don't know all the answers.

    i don't think people in heaven have physical bodies yet. bible talks about a future resurrection when those who have been dead, their bodies will "rise" first. since it is a new body (only like the old one) there won't be any amputated limbs, or ashes to ashes stuff, or absense of organs thanks to donations, etc.

    btw: organ donation is an important thing for everybody to sign up for.

    i agree that there are probably more people in hell.

    i don't know the size of the domains now, so i couldn't offer an guess on whether god needs to alter the size in the future. maybe it'll just grow tall like New York.
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    19 Apr '07 17:43
    Originally posted by ckoh1965
    And what's happened to that first person who went to heaven. Has he aged? Or has he remained the same as at the time of his death? If that guy decided to donate his heart before he died, and then his heart really got harvested when he died, will he arrive in heaven without a heart?

    But how many people have gone to heaven after that? Between heaven and he ...[text shortened]... illion people are on the way there. Not to mention that the number is increasing exponentially.
    6 billion? Out of all the humans who have lived, try more like a TRILLION. You thought heaven was overcrowded? Try living with a trillion self righteous asssholes.
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    19 Apr '07 18:30
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    6 billion? Out of all the humans who have lived, try more like a TRILLION. You thought heaven was overcrowded? Try living with a trillion self righteous asssholes.
    i try not to be too self-righteous. as for the other charge, perhaps you could bring specific charges to me that could help me deal with my "assholiness?"

    side note: could not arrogance in one's own knowledge (be it religious or scientific) not easly lead to self-righteousness?
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    19 Apr '07 20:33
    Originally posted by Big Mac
    i try not to be too self-righteous. as for the other charge, perhaps you could bring specific charges to me that could help me deal with my "assholiness?"

    side note: could not arrogance in one's own knowledge (be it religious or scientific) not easly lead to self-righteousness?
    Got egg on your face? That was a Yolk son, Get it, yolk......
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    19 Apr '07 20:441 edit
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    But I thought various characters flew up into heaven in the old testament.
    Pretending to admit of a literal interpretation of events listed in the
    Christian canon for just a moment...

    Well, if you consider that Abel went to the 'waiting room' before
    salvation was granted by Jesus, then Enoch would have been the first
    person in heaven, for it reads in Genesis 5:22-24.

    Enoch lived three hundred years after the birth of Methuselah, and he
    had other sons and daughters. The whole lifetime of Enoch was three
    hundred and sixty-five years. Then Enoch walked with God, and he
    was no longer here, for God took him.


    Elijah must have been there before Jesus, too, for it reads in II Kings
    2:11 -- As [Elisha and Elijah] walked on conversing, a flaming chariot and
    flaming horses came between them, and Elijah went up to heaven in a
    whirlwind
    .

    We can also interpret the parable of the rich man and Lazarus from the
    Gospel of St Luke (16:19-31) as indicating that Abraham was also in
    heaven, given that angels were present.

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