1. Standard memberGrampy Bobby
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    "Why Are Atheists Always Attacking Christians?"

    "Here is the answer. Please note as background that I am a Catholic. Yes -- a reviled Christian. It's common to read attacks by Atheists on practicing Christians on Daily Kos -- and, indeed, on the Internet at large. These attacks often infantalize Christians, assault their sense of reason, slander them or level broad accusations that have little support in fact. The context of these attacks is usually the All-Seeing Eye of the Atheist, which is capable to seeing into the minds of Christians and instantly understanding their motiviations, even when such motivations are cloudy or obscure to the Christian himself.

    Some of these attacks are histrionic and ridiculous.

    I believe that is because the best and easiest argument for someone becoming an Atheist is also the most boring one:
    "I never really found a place for God in my life." That hardly works on the Internet.

    For a long time, I was really puzzled about why Atheists were so concerned with what is going on in my mind with respect to my religious beliefs. Yet, I have seldom found myself so exposed and criticized -- these telepathic mind-readers can, apparently, peer right into my brain and understand things about me that I find hard to understand about myself.

    That was until it clicked.

    And I saw Atheism for what it was. As a person with a background in Catholicism, living now in a region where Catholicism predominates as the major religion, I know many former and lapsed Catholics, many of these non-religious and even non-believing people. I have asked around, however, and few of them have embraced the idea of Atheism. Why not? Well -- Atheism in itself is a protest movement. And for most lapsed or former Catholics, simply not going to church or letting has church leaders run their life is adequate protest -- and, by the way, a most deadly protest against church power.

    Atheism with a Capital A -- the kind of people who rail on blogs against Christians, or travel the country hoping to touch the hem of Atheist leaders like Richard Dawkins -- are seldom former Catholics, though. This kind of Atheism is a revolt against Protestantism, which is itself a protest movement against the evils of the world.

    Just as Protestantism defined itself as a rebuke to the excesses of the Catholic Church, so Atheism has defined itself as a protesting movement against the spirits of Calvin and Luther. The Atheist mind-reader almost always implants beliefs that are particular to the Evangelical or the Charismatic into the mind of his Christian adversary, for example.

    Sometimes I wonder whether it's a more extreme example of Protestantism, even. Minus Mr. Jesus. And so ... I started to see the Atheist movement in the context of religious history and development in the West. Animism. Polytheism.

    Monotheism -- perhaps the world's greatest technological achievement, as where previously each God exercised his own law, Monotheism enforces a moral unity on societies of men.

    Catholicism -- where the moral unity became universal and existed in constant challenge to the authority of states.

    Protestantism -- Christianity as a form of protest or resistence against worldly evil.

    Atheism -- a protest even against Protestantism, which is now seen as a blocking factor to self-actualization and truth.

    But where is Atheism leading us? What does it have planned for humankind, being that this is a movement that espouses no plan at all beyond the individual exercise of reason? Does there need to be one? No matter, for now. It's content with being a force of resistence, a form of protest. It's direction is attack. Attack defines it, because this is what it is. And I'm steeling myself to get used to it, though I still have the random outburst in reaction to the All-Seeing Eye.

    Funny thing, though. Human nature is such that, on closer examination, the Atheist movement is full of the same weak, irrational, conflicted, myopic human beings that fill the ranks of the religious. We're all small -- tiny, really -- when compared to the grandeur of the Divine or the Universe. (Your choice.) So, please. A little humility?" Sun Jan 06, 2013

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/01/06/1176767/-Why-Are-Atheists-Always-Attacking-Christians#

    Response? Reaction? Like? Dislike? Too Long to Read? Questions? Thoughtful Comments? Protest? Personal Attacks?
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    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    [b]"Why Are Atheists Always Attacking Christians?"

    "Here is the answer. Please note as background that I am a Catholic. Yes -- a reviled Christian. It's common to read attacks by Atheists on practicing Christians on Daily Kos -- and, indeed, on the Internet at large. These attacks often infantalize Christians, assault their sense of reason, slan ...[text shortened]... ion? Like? Dislike? Too Long to Read? Questions? Thoughtful Comments? Protest? Personal Attacks?[/b]
    I am married to a Christian and I swear not once in 42 years have I attacked her.
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    24 Apr '14 18:25
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    "Why Are Atheists Always Attacking Christians?"
    I don't think 'they' "always" are.

    Furthermore, the boisterous discussions between Christians and atheists on this forum are the lifeblood of this little community and any "attacks", such that they are, quite clearly go in both directions.
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    Originally posted by redbarons
    I am married to a Christian and I swear not once in 42 years have I attacked her.
    Your Christian Bride ever attack you during your 42 year honeymoon? lol
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    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    Your Christian Bride ever attack you during your 42 year honeymoon? lol
    never she is a roman catholic I am still on the fence
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    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    Well -- Atheism in itself is a protest movement
    Atheism in itself is the lack of belief in the supernatural. I'm not part of any protest
    movement. I've never understood the need to join in groups. It's what weak people do. If
    you can't stand on your own, sit. That's what I've always said. I've always been an atheist,
    and I have no need to rebel against religion... unless some dumbass creationist is trying to
    pass his/her religious "theory" off as science. That just triggers my "ridicule religion"-mode.
    It's a defense mechanism. Plus, it's good entertainment to rail against religious beliefs.

    Anyway, that's my take on this subject.
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    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    [b]Monotheism -- perhaps the world's greatest technological achievement...[/b]
    I've always found monotheism to be technologically most useful. Yes indeed. 🙄
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    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    I believe that is because the best and easiest argument for someone becoming an Atheist is also the most boring one:
    "I never really found a place for God in my life."
    I disagree with him. That is a horrible argument for becoming an atheist. It doesn't even get at the issue of gods existing.

    Deists are theists who don't believe God interacts with them. They don't 'need a place' for God in their life, and yet they remain theists.
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    24 Apr '14 22:131 edit
    GP: "... Atheism -- a protest even against Protestantism...

    But where is Atheism leading us? What does it have planned for humankind, being that this is a movement that espouses no plan at all beyond the individual exercise of reason? Does there need to be one? No matter, for now. It's content with being a force of resistence, a form of protest..."

    A) Atheism isn't a protest against a protest. As someone else at this forum must have pointed out in another thread (but I guess I have to say it again): absence of belief in X is not the same as belief in absence-of-X.

    B) Atheism is the default position. No one needs to be evangelized to 'join' atheism. Everyone starts out atheistic, in the above sense of lacking belief in X. Trying to change people from their default position meets resistance; not because it is resistance to Christianity per se, but because you are trying to change people. Try to change a Democrat to a Republican, or a Tory to a Labourite, or a soccer fan to a rugby fan, and you'll meet resistance.

    C) Atheism isn't leading us anywhere. Why should it? I suppose you think that means that atheists are lost because _you_ would feel lost if you didn't feel certain where you were being led. But being lost is not: not knowing where you're being led. Being lost is: not knowing where you ARE.

    To the person who thinks I am sitting in darkness: just because you can't see where I am, doesn't mean I can't.

    D) "Why are atheists always attacking Christians?" They aren't. You just think so because the only atheists you ever come into contact with are responding to your insistence that you've got a monopoly on Absolute Truth and that everybody who doesn't believe what you believe is going to hell in a handbasket. If you stop browbeating people with your ideology, they'll stop responding to you ideologically. Try engaging people as a _human_ first, instead of as a _Christian_ first, and you'll get a less testy response.

    A parable for you to meditate on: a psychiatrist might think that all homosexuals are neurotic. Why? Because the only ones who would go to a psychiatrist are indeed neurotic; there are plenty who aren't, but the psychiatrist never sees _them_. Analogously, there are plenty of people in the world who are in the default position and who aren't attacking Christians. You just don't notice them.

    Too prolix; my apologies.
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    Originally posted by redbarons
    I am married to a Christian and I swear not once in 42 years have I attacked her.
    That's because she'd kick your ass and you know it.
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    Originally posted by Suzianne
    That's because she'd kick your ass and you know it.
    And then, Suzi, do you think redbarons would be likely to turn the other cheek?
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    Originally posted by SwissGambit
    I disagree with him. That is a horrible argument for becoming an atheist. It doesn't even get at the issue of gods existing.

    Deists are theists who don't believe God interacts with them. They don't 'need a place' for God in their life, and yet they remain theists.
    Originally posted by SwissGambit
    I disagree with him. That is a horrible argument for becoming an atheist. It doesn't even get at the issue of gods existing...

    As I read the blog, it isn't in defense of belief or non belief; rather it's focused on the "protests" and "attacks" that occur.

    Edit: Concluding with an appeal for civility.

    Edit 2: He's a Christian not an atheist.
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    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    Originally posted by SwissGambit
    I disagree with him. That is a horrible argument for becoming an atheist. It doesn't even get at the issue of gods existing...

    As I read the blog, it isn't in defense of belief or non belief; rather it's focused on the "protests" and "attacks" that occur.

    Edit: Concluding with an appeal for civility.

    Edit 2: He's a Christian not an atheist.
    If I ever make an argument that bad on behalf of Christianity, feel free to correct me. 🙂
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    It is pretty obvious that the person in the OP is an atheist. He just pretends to be theist because he thinks it provides a moral framework. He doesn't actually think it has anything to do with truth.
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    Originally posted by redbarons
    I am married to a Christian and I swear not once in 42 years have I attacked her.
    I wish I could say the same. However, fortunately for me, my wife forgave my stupid actions and we avoided divorce and I eventually learned better.
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