Originally posted by Penguin
Yes, there is a lot of fantastic religiously inspired art, architecture, music, poetry etc. However, the fact is that we simply don't know what art, architecture, music, poetry etc. would have been created without religion.
It was a cheap shot though so I will happily retract it and concede that religion quite possibly has made a positive contribution in ...[text shortened]... the main reasons for any 'anger' that atheists may feel towards religion in general.
Penguin
I think it's more than a little curious for you to concede the tangible artifacts of religion's influence (can't deny what can be physically pointed at, right), and yet turn a blind eye to all the other positive influences which were wrought by religion in general and Christianity in particular.
If you're going to dismiss the gains realized, the chains broken by Christianity on the basis of the "chequered and murky history" then you certainly are now committed to dismissing any and all gains (whatever those are deemed to be) by atheism, thanks to the tireless work of such luminaries as Josef Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao Zedong and the like.
encouraged and perpetrated directly by religious groups with their religious beliefs as the main justification.
That's an interesting turn of phrase.
What's the old saying? Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Those who are hungry for power will seize it and then maintain it using any means possible.
Their concern is not for doctrine; they use whatever doctrine they can to keep their position.
The various popes throughout the ages, as well as any of the other groups who have cloaked their campaigns in spiritual garb (including Adolf Hitler) have at least one aspect of their ascension in common: they have all behaved in manners inconsistent to what the majority of people consider to be normative Christianity.
Any person of any belief sees the reprehensible behavior and rightly labels the same as unseemly, and decidedly un-Christian.