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Originally posted by Fetchmyjunk (OP)"an atheist": any human being
I am trying to understand why people become atheists. I have not heard of anyone who born an atheist. So simply put, what convinced you to become an atheist?
who rejects the possibility that there is in fact an Eternal, Sovereign, Omnipotent, Omniscience, Omnipresent God.
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyI think that atheists don't see there is any convincing reason to subscribe to your ideology nor to believe that there is an "Eternal, Sovereign, Omnipotent, Omniscience [sic], Omnipresent" God ~ and you rather self-consciously capitalizing a string of adjectives in order to make your words sound portentous is not going to change that. 😉
"an atheist": any human being
who rejects the possibility that there is in fact an Eternal, Sovereign, Omnipotent, Omniscience, Omnipresent God.
Originally posted by Grampy BobbySo you would call someone an atheist even if they believed in an Eternal, Omnipotent, Omniscience, Omnipresent God. But believed said God wasn't Sovereign?
"an atheist": any human being
who rejects the possibility that there is in fact an Eternal, Sovereign, Omnipotent, Omniscience, Omnipresent God.
Why? It seems to be an odd way to define the word.
Surely infidel, pagan or heathen would be a better fit for someone who doesn't believe in the exact same god you do?
Originally posted by Grampy BobbyIs the rejection part important to you? What of a person who simply has no belief in a God and has always taken the default position that there is no God, due to the absence of compelling evidence. Why would it be necessary to reject something that has never been held in a rational position to be rejected? I haven't, for example, actively rejected the existence of a talking cucumber. (Yes, I dismiss the 'idea' of such a thing existing, but I haven't accepted the existence of a talking cucumber, and then set about rejecting it).
"an atheist": any human being
who rejects the possibility that there is in fact an Eternal, Sovereign, Omnipotent, Omniscience, Omnipresent God.
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Originally posted by Grampy BobbyWrong. And what is worse you know that you are wrong because you have had this
"an atheist": any human being
who rejects the possibility that there is in fact an Eternal, Sovereign, Omnipotent, Omniscience, Omnipresent God.
explained to you in detail numerous times and have repeated back what we have said
proving you read it.
So not just wrong, but lying as well.
We have already explained what an atheist is in detail several times in this thread so I
am not going to do it again. Particularly given that you already know what an atheist is
and that what you just posted was a lie.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThink you'll find it is the theist who has not only narrowed their search but has become fixed to a rigid path. The atheist is free to follow the path that logic dictates and has the freedom to changes paths when a better one reveals itself.
atheist: one who has reduced his search for truth to unintelligent agencies.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieWrong again, and also a lie because you already know that it's not true.
atheist: one who has reduced his search for truth to unintelligent agencies.
What is it with you theists and your inability to tell the truth?
Are you really so pathetically insecure in your position that you cannot accept what ours is
without lying and creating strawman versions to argue against?
"atheist: one who has reduced his search for truth to unintelligent agencies."
"his" ... yes, we know you're a misogynist, but at least get with the times and
say "their". You look like an even bigger idiot than you already do when you suggest
all atheists are a "he".
Your 'definition' as you well know is wrong on so many levels it's hard to know where
to start.
An atheists may or may not 'be searching for truth', and may or may not have ruled out
anything in that search if they are thus searching.
It's certainly not a requirement to "rule out 'intelligent agencies'" and indeed many atheists
do not do so including those on this site.
As I explained in a previous post my world view doesn't change if I am in a universe with no
supernatural entities or one with many obvious ones. I could live in one of the D&D universes
where magic is commonplace and gods are two-a-penny and still have the same worldview.
My worldview thus, does not 'reduce my search for truth to unintelligent agencies'.
The EVIDENCE we have however suggests that the universe we actually live in is completely devoid
of anything supernatural and does so to a high degree of confidence.
However coming to a conclusion AFTER looking at the evidence [and being open to changing
that conclusion if sufficient new evidence comes to light] is entirely not the same as what you
accuse us of... Of predetermining the conclusion... That's what you do, not us.
YOU have pre-decided that a god exists and that your religion is correct and then try to fit things
into and around that belief.
Originally posted by Ghost of a DukeWhy logic when they claim there are no absolutes?
Think you'll find it is the theist who has not only narrowed their search but has become fixed to a rigid path. The atheist is free to follow the path that logic dictates and has the freedom to changes paths when a better one reveals itself.
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Originally posted by FetchmyjunkHave you read ANYTHING we/I have written in this thread?
Why logic when they claim there are no absolutes?
First, atheists share only one thing [aside from being humans] in common.
We lack any belief in the existence of gods.
We don't all agree on why, we don't all agree on anything else.
So any statement about atheists and what we believe that claims that we believe or
claim anything other than a lack of belief in gods IS WRONG.
Period.
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Originally posted by vistesdThankyou, from you that means a lot.
Well, in one of my casual perusals through here, I just thumbed it up. [b] Excellent analysis. Worth copying and quoting (with attribution, of course). I don't know why any theists wouldn't accept the analysis itself, for themselves, simply substituting what they see as justifiable core beliefs, say, and offering to buy the next round of beer. You hav ...[text shortened]... tter if you can see the actor, Tony Shalhoub, saying the line, with the perfect dramatic pause.)[/b]
You are correct, I believe that all knowledge about reality is probabilistic. [Bayesian]
I haven't watched "Monk" but I do know of it [I have family members that did watch] and yes, it's a good quote.
Originally posted by FetchmyjunkA theist and an atheist are in the jungle, when they are suddenly charged at by a hungry lion. Now the theist, believing in the absolute power of God, stands tall and prayers to God to rescue him. He is immediately eaten.
Why logic when they claim there are no absolutes?
Meanwhile the atheist logically assesses the situation and decides to play dead. However, when he notices the lion is still coming towards him he reassesses the situation and decides to climb a tree instead, a decision which saves his life.
Logic frees us from absolutes. We make rational decisions based on the evidence we currently have but reevaluate those decisions when better evidence comes to light. What we don't do is put our faith in an unproven absolute that results in our ultimate destruction.
Originally posted by googlefudgeI too lack belief in the existence of gods. Yet in am not an atheist.
Have you read ANYTHING we/I have written in this thread?
First, atheists share only one thing [aside from being humans] in common.
We lack any belief in the existence of gods.
We don't all agree on why, we don't all agree on anything else.
So any statement about atheists and what we believe that claims that we believe or
claim anything other than a lack of belief in gods IS WRONG.
Period.