Why are you are an atheist

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
No one is disputing that there is diverse values among Wendyists, this has already been covered.

Apply that ridiculous term to yourself, you are the one to cowardly to confront the truth.
And stick to the correct terms, your posts are garbage enough without your pathetic
attempts to be hip or funny scattered all over them.

And as ever, you have totally and utterly missed the point.

YOU [and others] are making the claim that if you change from atheist to theist or theist to atheist
that this necessarily changes your moral system.

For this claim to be true it must be true that there are no possible moral systems that do not change
if you change a persons status from atheist to theist or vice-versa.

As we have pointed out that such systems do exist, this claim cannot be true.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
You pick a single verse from the book of Exodus and attempt to extract some kind of leverage from it? My goodness, what are we to think? You understand that I am a Christian, do you understand how the Mosaic law with its ordinances and mandates relates to Christianity?

All right then, let's take the entire book of Leviticus. Is that the moral standard you are advocating?

Originally posted by twhitehead
Atheists on the other hand may have a lot to say about gay rights and abortion, but not because they are atheists and so one atheist may have a completely different opinion from another on those matters, just as one afairyist may have a different opinion from another afairyist. The mistake is to attribute those opinions to afairyism.

However atheism does allow one to make "moral" decisions based on their own
judgement and evidence rather than a mandate derived from some ancient book.
Because of that many atheists appear to have the same or similar opinions on many
social issues and tend to be more liberal than theists. But I can assure you there are
some very conservative, anti-abortion, anti-gay atheists out there!

Originally posted by wolfgang59
However atheism does allow one to make "moral" decisions based on their own
judgement and evidence rather than a mandate derived from some ancient book.
Because of that many atheists appear to have the same or similar opinions on many
social issues and tend to be more liberal than theists. But I can assure you there are
some very conservative, anti-abortion, anti-gay atheists out there!

Just as there are many very liberal, pro-choice, pro-LGBT theists out there.

It's dangerous to generalize and stereotype people, I agree.

Originally posted by Suzianne
Just as there are many very liberal, pro-choice, pro-LGBT theists out there.

It's dangerous to generalize and stereotype people, I agree.

Certainly.
However we can agree that theists have one common belief.
And atheists do not.

Originally posted by wolfgang59
Certainly.
However we can agree that theists have one common belief.
And atheists do not.

Don't you believe that god(s ) do not exist?
Don't other atheists share that belief?


*ducking and running*

Originally posted by moonbus
All right then, let's take the entire book of Leviticus. Is that the moral standard you are advocating?

what is it about being a Christian that yet evades you my former Master? If you understood the relationship between the Mosaic law and how it relates to Christianity you would not be asking me these questions.

Christian = one who professes to live by and advocate the teachings of Jesus Christ.

Originally posted by Suzianne
Just as there are many very liberal, pro-choice, pro-LGBT theists out there.

It's dangerous to generalize and stereotype people, I agree.

Just as there are many liberal, pro-choice, pro-LGBT wishy washy, luke warm, watered down, namby pamby theists who have superseded the word of God with their own teachings out there.

fixd!

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
what is it about being a Christian that yet evades you my former Master? If you understood the relationship between the Mosaic law and how it relates to Christianity you would not be asking me these questions.

Christian = one who professes to live by and advocate the teachings of Jesus Christ.

I do understand the relationship between the Mosaic law and Christianity. It is unambiguously stated in Matthew 5:18, where, given that Jesus was a Jew, "the law" referred to can only be the Mosaic law, no other. What eludes me is why I should accept it.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Just as there are many liberal, pro-choice, pro-LGBT wishy washy, luke warm, watered down, namby pamby theists who have superseded the word of God with their own teachings out there.

fixd!

But I don't legislate against them while claiming to hold the higher ground.

WWJD, indeed.

Originally posted by moonbus
I do understand the relationship between the Mosaic law and Christianity. It is unambiguously stated in Matthew 5:18, where, given that Jesus was a Jew, "the law" referred to can only be the Mosaic law, no other. What eludes me is why I should accept it.

Part of the idea here is the idea that Jesus came so that the gentiles could have salvation. The Jews were already "God's people" as long as they followed the law. There are also Messianic Jews, who believe in Christ as the Messiah, but many of them still follow the Mosaic laws. But Mosaic law is for the Jews, not the Gentiles. Yes, the law still exists and shall not pass away, but this is because there are still Jews who are "God's people".

Originally posted by moonbus
I do understand the relationship between the Mosaic law and Christianity. It is unambiguously stated in Matthew 5:18, where, given that Jesus was a Jew, "the law" referred to can only be the Mosaic law, no other. What eludes me is why I should accept it.

No i dont think that you do , why is it that Christians do not celebrate the passover, keep the Sabbath, do not offer up animal sacrifices, can eat pork and shellfish, can use cloth of mixed materials etc etc etc

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
No i dont think that you do , why is it that Christians do not celebrate the passover, keep the Sabbath, do not offer up animal sacrifices, can eat pork and shellfish, can use cloth of mixed materials etc etc etc

Can't you give anyone a straight answer? Why must everything you say be buried in pomposity?

Originally posted by Suzianne
Part of the idea here is the idea that Jesus came so that the gentiles could have salvation. The Jews were already "God's people" as long as they followed the law. There are also Messianic Jews, who believe in Christ as the Messiah, but many of them still follow the Mosaic laws. But Mosaic law is for the Jews, not the Gentiles. Yes, the law still exists and shall not pass away, but this is because there are still Jews who are "God's people".

Christ himself states of the Jews as a collective and I quote, '"Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit." - Matthew 21:43

The law was done away with in practice or have you never read, 'having canceled the charge of our legal indebtedness, which stood against us and condemned us; he has taken it away, nailing it to the cross. - Colossians 2:14

Infact the Law was never intended to be a permanent feature and was nothing more than a temporary measure, 'a tutor' as Paul terms it, 'leading towards the Christ'.

“Look! The days are coming,” declares Jehovah, “when I will make with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah a new covenant. It will not be like the covenant that I made with their forefathers on the day I took hold of their hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, ‘my covenant that they broke, although I was their true master,’* declares Jehovah.” “For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares Jehovah. “I will put my law within them, and in their heart I will write it. And I will become their God, and they will become my people.” Jeremiah 31:30-33

Originally posted by Suzianne
Can't you give anyone a straight answer? Why must everything you say be buried in pomposity?

Its a question designed to foment thought and discussion and clearly you are out of your depth, I suggest swimming back to the shallow pool with the kiddies and those that need milk!