Originally posted by AThousandYoung
"Pinnacle"? "Subordinate"? What the hell are you talking about?

If a general gets convicted of a crime, should all military personell subordinate to him also get convicted of that crime simply because they are subordinate? Should every person in the U.S. be convicted of the crimes of our Presidents? Are we all as guilty as Nixon because he was the leader of our country?

Nixon only bit the evil side of da apple. lol

Originally posted by AThousandYoung
"Pinnacle"? "Subordinate"? What the hell are you talking about?

If a general gets convicted of a crime, should all military personell subordinate to him also get convicted of that crime simply because they are subordinate? Should every person in the U.S. be convicted of the crimes of our Presidents? Are we all as guilty as Nixon because he was the leader of our country?

No, no, and no.

Amongst people, there are no 'subordinates' in the same sense that animals are 'under' mankind.

Originally posted by frogstomp
go read that again and tell me what the part about the Tree of Life meant.

The fruit of The Tree of Life, is life eternity. That was the choice that man was to make. Man was created to live forever. Man was not created for death. Mam was not created to die. Man was not created to be a willing participatent in the war between GOD and satan.

Originally posted by blindfaith101
The fruit of The Tree of Life, is life eternity. That was the choice that man was to make. Man was created to live forever. Man was not created for death. Mam was not created to die. Man was not created to be a willing participatent in the war between GOD and satan.

Man was not created to be a willing participatent in the war between GOD and satan.

Well said!

Originally posted by chinking58
There was No death before sin. The first deaths were of the animals that God himself killed in order to make a covering (clothes) for Adam and Eve. This is a 'type' of the salvation that God would later offer to mankind.

After Noah's flood God told Noah and his family, for the first time, that they could kill animals for food. Before that we were all (yuck) vegetarians!

But... plants must die to give vegetarian food. Did God show favoritism to the Animalia kingdom while the plantae kingdom is an equal if not bigger representation of his glory.

Sorry, but I don't believe the "no death at all" thing. Animals or plants, they should be the same, just no human death.

Originally posted by Coconut
But... plants must die to give vegetarian food. Did God show favoritism to the Animalia kingdom while the plantae kingdom is an equal if not bigger representation of his glory.

Sorry, but I don't believe the "no death at all" thing. Animals or plants, they should be the same, just no human death.

God is glorified even in the rocks! Certainly His handiwork is well demonstrated in the 'plantae kingdom', but I don't see plants as living in the same way as animals live. One distinguishing factor might be that animals (and man) have the 'breath of life' that God imparted. Another Biblical indicator is the reference that 'life is in the blood' from Leviticus 17:11

Originally posted by chinking58
God is glorified even in the rocks! Certainly His handiwork is well demonstrated in the 'plantae kingdom', but I don't see plants as living in the same way as animals live. One distinguishing factor might be that animals (and man) have the 'breath of life' that God imparted. Another Biblical indicator is the reference that 'life is in the blood' from Leviticus 17:11

ahhh, bloodshed. perhaps... perhaps.

Originally posted by chinking58
No, no, and no.

Amongst people, there are no 'subordinates' in the same sense that animals are 'under' mankind.

So, in what sense are animals 'under' mankind?

Originally posted by Coconut
But... plants must die to give vegetarian food. Did God show favoritism to the Animalia kingdom while the plantae kingdom is an equal if not bigger representation of his glory.

Sorry, but I don't believe the "no death at all" thing. Animals or plants, they should be the same, just no human death.

No they don't. Picking and eating an apple doesn't kill the apple tree.

Originally posted by AThousandYoung
No they don't. Picking and eating an apple doesn't kill the apple tree.

something HAS to die. Things around us are dying all the time. Germs live about 12 seconds or so in the air? Cells are dying and reproducing. something in that apple had to die as it was eaten.

Like I said before, perhaps there was just no death of things with blood.

Originally posted by blindfaith101
The fruit of The Tree of Life, is life eternity. That was the choice that man was to make. Man was created to live forever. Man was not created for death. Mam was not created to die. Man was not created to be a willing participatent in the war between GOD and satan.

what about this passage?:

Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: 3:23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

Originally posted by frogstomp
what about this passage?:

Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: 3:23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

What about it Froggy?

After A&E ate the fruit, after they had chosen to disobey; they had become a menace to themselves, each other, and of God's good intention for His creation. If they had then proceeded to the tree of life, instead of moving toward the new entity of death, their lives would have been an eternal terror. They would have gone on to truly practice their new found rebellion in ernest.

We see death, generally, as a curse; but sometimes it is a blessing. Even without the negative effects of aging considered, escaping from the burden of living in a vile culture permeated with all sorts of evil, will be a relief!

The trick is to accept Christ's invitation ('Today is the day of salvation!'😉; to receive His gift of salvation, so that the inevitable escape we all will make from here is an improvement, and not the discovery that life on earth was the only heaven we ever get!

Originally posted by AThousandYoung
So, in what sense are animals 'under' mankind?

In the sense that dogs stay home!

'Huh?' you say?

A few weeks ago, while waiting behind a school bus loading on the highway, I made a rather astute observation. Two kids and a dog were in the driveway when the bus rolled up. The kids got on the bus, hopefully off to improve their minds and grow in maturity, and the dog went back to the house to lolligag around and lick himself. There aren't any philosophical lectures or ivory tower arguments to beat the obvious conclusion. People are 'above' the animals.

Originally posted by chinking58
In the sense that dogs stay home!

'Huh?' you say?

A few weeks ago, while waiting behind a school bus loading on the highway, I made a rather astute observation. Two kids and a dog were in the driveway when the bus rolled up. The kids got on the bus, hopefully off to improve their minds and grow in maturity, and the dog went back to the house to ...[text shortened]... or ivory tower arguments to beat the obvious conclusion. People are 'above' the animals.

Does that mean that bums on the street are 'under' the rest of humanity? How about primitives in the Congo?

Originally posted by AThousandYoung
Does that mean that bums on the street are 'under' the rest of humanity? How about primitives in the Congo?

No except for Colett's Elect, we are all equally vile, depraved and worthless no matter our station in life. Cheers!!