"Why Do Men Reject God?"

Originally posted by googlefudge
2+3=5

That is, always has been, and all ways will be true.

It doesn't need reference to things, 2 of what, 3 of what. It just is.
That's what happens when you take two numbers and do the mathematical
operation of adding them.

Logic is like that.

IF the premise's of a sound logical argument are true.

THEN the conclusion of a sound logica ...[text shortened]... nd we can tell that absolutely, and without reference to anything else but the rules
of logic.

Lessee if I have this straight.

1 + 1 = 2

So far, so good, right?

But what if I can show you:

1 + 1 = 3

Would that challenge your insistence?

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
Lessee if I have this straight.

1 + 1 = 2

So far, so good, right?

But what if I can show you:

1 + 1 = 3

Would that challenge your insistence?

You CAN'T show 1+1=3

That's kinda the point.

Originally posted by googlefudge
You CAN'T show 1+1=3

That's kinda the point.

You can if one of the 1's is a man and the other 1 is a woman, and the + is the act of sex.
Now:

1 + 1 = 3--- or maybe even more.

Value is everything, I guess.

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
You can if one of the 1's is a man and the other 1 is a woman, and the + is the act of sex.
Now:

1 + 1 = 3--- or maybe even more.

Value is everything, I guess.

Then you are not performing the mathematical operation of addition.

You are performing the biological operation of sexual reproduction.

EDIT: see your problem is you are thinking of the numbers as
representations of numbers of things.
You need to see them as JUST numbers

Originally posted by googlefudge
Then you are not performing the mathematical operation of addition.

You are performing the biological operation of sexual reproduction.

EDIT: see your problem is you are thinking of the numbers as
representations of numbers of things.
You need to see them as JUST numbers

Ah, but it is addition.
Sperm (1) hits (+) the egg (1).

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
Ah, but it is addition.
Sperm (1) hits (+) the egg (1).

No it isn't.

Your problem is that you can't untangle the rules of mathematics/logic from physical reality.


The mathematical Operation of addition will ALWAYS give a result of 3 given an input of 1 and 2.


If you do an operation that results in something else then you were not doing addition.


In this case you're still doing sexual reproduction, albeit at a different scale.

Originally posted by googlefudge
No it isn't.

Your problem is that you can't untangle the rules of mathematics/logic from physical reality.


The mathematical Operation of addition will ALWAYS give a result of 3 given an input of 1 and 2.


If you do an operation that results in something else then you were not doing addition.


In this case you're still doing sexual reproduction, albeit at a different scale.

So you can see where the application of the abbreviation (in this case, a number) is/can be highly critical in determining whether the formula actually is representative of the situation being described.

Originally posted by FreakyKBH
So you can see where the application of the abbreviation (in this case, a number) is/can be highly critical in determining whether the formula actually is representative of the situation being described.

Nobody was arguing otherwise.

In fact I said that that was what you were arguing in an earlier post.

And I will say what I said then, You're missing the point.


To say that an argument is logically unsound is independent of how it's applied.


Take the argument:
All CATS have FOUR LEGS
My DOG has FOUR LEGS
Therefore My DOG is a CAT

This form of argument is logically unsound, it doesn't matter what objects are put
into the argument it will never work.

We can generalise this argument to:

All objects in set A are contained in set B
Set C is in set B
Therefore set C and Set A are equal

Or
All A are in B
All C are in B
Thus All C are A.


It doesn't matter what we put in for A, B, and C. this argument will never be sound.


However, the conclusion can still be true, because there is nothing in this argument that means
in general that All C can't be A.

But this argument doesn't prove it, it's unsound.


Pascals Wager is logically unsound. We can analyse the form of the argument and determine it doesn't
comply with the laws of logic and is thus unsound.

And we can do this outside of any context for the argument, and without regard to it's intention or the
truth of the conclusion.


And it doesn't matter who you are, if you understand the rules of logic then you can agree that
the argument is unsound.


Logic is (exactly) like the rules of mathematics (in fact it's a subset of mathematics).

It's immutable, and devoid of bias and prejudice.

An argument that is logically sound today will be so tomorrow, and so on into infinity.

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
[b]"Why Do Men Reject God?"

"Most people in the world, throughout the ages of history, have believed in some concept of a Supreme Being. They may have had a perverted sense of Who that Being is, but they were convinced that there is a Personal Power greater than man. Given the evidence available, faith is reasonable. That is why the psalmist decl ...[text shortened]... e other reasons for rejecting the possibility of a Supreme Being and accepting the consequences?[/b]

Are you one of those types who slip little pamphlets of scripture behind mirrors in Old Country Buffet restrooms?

Originally posted by Soothfast
Are you one of those types who slip little pamphlets of scripture behind mirrors in Old Country Buffet restrooms?

Constable Visit-the-infidel-with-explanatory-pamphlets is back in town...

I also want to chime in about this sperm (1) + egg (1) business.

I think it's worth noting that it would be more like sperm (0.5) + egg (0.5) because sex cells have half the number of chromosomes so that when they meet, there is a full complement of genes for one individual. What happens next (cell division, etc., making twins, triplets, whatever) is up to fate.

Originally posted by Soothfast
Are you one of those types who slip little pamphlets of scripture behind mirrors in Old Country Buffet restrooms?

Hey, I was brought to Christ via sorority sisters working through Campus Crusade for Christ. Say what you will, those pamphlets reach a lot of people.

Originally posted by Suzianne
I also want to chime in about this sperm (1) + egg (1) business.

I think it's worth noting that it would be more like sperm (0.5) + egg (0.5) because sex cells have half the number of chromosomes so that when they meet, there is a full complement of genes for one individual. What happens next (cell division, etc., making twins, triplets, whatever) is up to fate.

That is why there are variations. It has nothing to do with EVIL-lution.

Originally posted by Suzianne
I also want to chime in about this
sperm (1) + egg (1)

I'll chime in too
I prefer bacon with my egg.

Though it's cereal during the week.

Originally posted by wolfgang59
I'll chime in too
I prefer bacon with my egg.

Though it's cereal during the week.

Wipe your chin, lad.