Spirituality
07 Jun 23
07 Jun 23
@divegeester saidYes. As you apparently surmise, the universe exists so that humans can exist.
“If you want to make an apple pie from scratch, you first have to create the entire universe”
Carl Sagan.
Same principle for creating humans.
Yes, yes, I know the science-based atheist crowd will make noises at that, but I admit that I am a science-based Christian. No apologies.
07 Jun 23
@divegeester saidWhy does the universe exist?
“If you want to make an apple pie from scratch, you first have to create the entire universe”
Carl Sagan.
Same principle for creating humans.
Thoughts:
[1] I am not convinced there has to be an answer to this.
[2] Assuming there is an answer, surely it is something that we can only speculate about.
[3] Given No.[1] and No.[2] above, the more pressing philosophical questions - given that the universe does exist and we are part of it - to my way of thinking, revolve around how to find meaning in our lives. Which makes...
[4] Suzianne's perspective as good a starting point as any alternative, especially as it doesn't really matter to No.[3] if she is wrong.
@divegeester saidSomeone is going around creating galaxies with intelligent life in them. So there has to be trillions of planets with beings some more advanced and some less advanced. This someone is the being Christians call God. Every 7 days another galaxy appears. God creates for 6 days and rests 1 day. A day could mean anything ... a thousand yrs, a million yrs... nobody knows.
“If you want to make an apple pie from scratch, you first have to create the entire universe”
Carl Sagan.
Same principle for creating humans.
@fmf saidWould you rather speak to an evangelical Republican about that?
I understand how this is an article of faith based on how humans perceive themselves but does it work when one is explaining the existence of 400 billion stars in the Milky Way, and 2 trillion galaxies in the visible universe?
10 Jun 23
@divegeester
Why does the universe exist?
Standard philosophical thought supplies the following three possibilities:
1) A force created it.
2) There is no reason.
3) The universe created itself.
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@pianoman1 said4) The universe has always existed, in one form or another.
@divegeester
Why does the universe exist?
Standard philosophical thought supplies the following three possibilities:
1) A force created it.
2) There is no reason.
3) The universe created itself.
10 Jun 23
@ghost-of-a-duke saidAlways existed? Surely there is always birth, life and death?
4) The universe has always existed, in one form or another.
I would agree that birth is controversial - what was there before birth? - but a universe without birth is an interesting 4th possibility.
@pianoman1 saidThese are possibilities of the what, not the why.
@divegeester
Why does the universe exist?
Standard philosophical thought supplies the following three possibilities:
1) A force created it.
2) There is no reason.
3) The universe created itself.
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@pianoman1 saidIf God can be eternal, why not the universe itself?
Always existed? Surely there is always birth, life and death?
I would agree that birth is controversial - what was there before birth? - but a universe without birth is an interesting 4th possibility.
Or was God born?
@fmf saidIt "works" just fine, thanks.
I understand how this is an article of faith based on how humans perceive themselves but does it work when one is explaining the existence of 400 billion stars in the Milky Way, and 2 trillion galaxies in the visible universe?
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